From Syria, with…. (By True)

I. A trip of Fear

How it started! We’re all immersed in the Syrian revolution since March in one way or another. We’ve been hearing from here and there trying to sort the good from the bad and the good from the great where at this time good is not considered good. We debated different sorts of narrations and always relied on press reports, video clips and some leaked news from local residents. However, deep down inside us there was this thirst to seek our own version of truth to validate or refute a narration and that’s what I’ve decided to do.

At work, being a Syrian, I was always subject to all sorts of Syrian issues related questions, and in many cases there was this sense of high expectations of me knowing everything and answering any inquiry but in reality I was very far if not the furthest to answer their questions. On many different occasions I’ve been told oh “lucky you for being away from the hell”, I used to reciprocate with a big smile because I was like many of us (online bloggers) lucky enough to enjoy a coffee while commenting here and there with nil risk till one day I was cornered by non-Arab friend who was like “and what about the others” refereeing to all Syrians on ground who are facing death on daily basis.

For this and too many other reasons I decided quietly on my plan of going back home to be there trying to understand what’s actually happening aside from all sorts of manipulation or distortion, I wanted to see it (the truth) in my own naked eyes. So out of the blue I inform the family of my trip to spend the Xmas in Europe just like that “by the way I’m planning a trip to Europe and flying next week” there was a silence in the room and I could see it in their eyes something like “you’re a terrible liar” but nobody elaborated except the dad saying “say hi to “Europe” from me”.

My ticket on Syria Airways is booked and I’m waiting at the gate, I am a bit early as if arriving early at the gate will make it a faster trip or something. People started gathering and it does not take you long time at all to start recognizing the Syrian features on their faces, you could tell easily the Hourani, Alawi or Shami accent. for me they all looked somehow different today, as if they’re not all sharing the motherland while they all are sharing the anxiety and fear on their faces. Oh, there’s a stand with some newspapers on it, but no one is helping himself to grab a one or two (You know the Syrian mentality appreciates free stuff and surely they would not miss a chance of free papers) I take my way to grab the papers and just while I’m heading there I spot the headlines in French, English and even German all talking about deadly killing in Syria and suddenly I figured out why no one is reading and there I learnt that I’m already in the kingdom of fear while physically I’m still in Europe. It’s quite amazing, as if this feeling of fear is implanted in every Syrian, fear makes you scared to read a paper overseas while you keep looking at the ground trying to avoid any eye contact with anyone around especially the security steward (Modeef Amni) who’s assigned to this trip.

The ground stewardess starts calling on passengers, starting with first class and so on … but suddenly and out of the blue this ghost with this scary moustache pops out of the tunnel and calls for his friend in who was sitting next me, he was saying (Abu-Rmi yala yala) lets it move it Abu-Rami we need to put up the table. This Abu-Rami stands up and stares at every one, including myself, a stare of challenge to fulfill this sick desire of control and announces his upper hand and to add some icing he pulls this black plastic bag out of his pocket and covers the papers as simple as that. No need to mention the puzzled face of that local ground stewardess who was utterly shocked how Abu-Rami acts like. So we make our way to the plane to find a checkpoint set up by Abu-Rami and three others where they’re asking to search every bag and personal search for young men, including myself, one guy asked what’s all this about? We just passed airport security!! And the answer was “if they (westerns) were doing good job we would not have faced armed gangs” I think this line tells you a lot about their way of thinking, I stepped inside the plane looking around and could easily spot those 1980s security guys who’re still insisting to put on their sunglasses inside the plane as if no one could see them or actually it’s their way of saying yes we’re here and Welcome to kingdom of fear.

We arrived at Damascus airport and people stopped talking, everyone is making his way to passport control booths so do I. Marhaba I say, they guy looks up at me with no reply!! He takes my passport and starts pressing frantically on his keyboard and I start thinking all about SC and 7ee6an wondering if my real identity was leaked out somehow and I hope that my family specially my father does know about my definition of a trip to Europe. The guy does not talk to me (it’s been at least 8 minutes) finally he says you’re wanted for the main Mukhabarat directorate and I was like how come? are you sure? He goes like yes and you did obtain their approval to leave the country 6 months ago. Six months ago!!! Are you kidding? I was not home for the last ….. I’m sure there’s a mistake here check more please (yes I was using please but not sure if he could hear it) ok.. ok.. he replies, yes it’s you 100%. Honestly I had a glitch for few seconds then collected myself again to counter, did you check DOB and mother name? He insists yes I did. I say it does not make sense, there should be a mistake, I say. Suddenly, he reaches to his stamp and grants me an entry just like that. Till now I have no clue what happened, but my hunch that he was just messing up with me as a part of their procedures to see my reaction or for someone who’s watching in the camera to take a decision. People who I shared this story with told me that there was no way to let me go if there’s a dot of doubts against me, so now I believe it’s just a part of their psychological war against their own people.

Going through other parts of the airport was not a much different experience, I saw Bashar’s pictures everywhere from the door of the plane to the car park booth where you pay your tariff,   I saw guys getting dragged out of the line into rooms, I saw ladies pleading for their partners and kids. That mum was crying out talking to everyone trying to explain to them that her son is a Christian Syrian and he’s not eligible yet for military service while the guys were looking at her breast, playing with their moustaches and most importantly ignoring her. I understood that all these dolls on the front line are fully controlled by others who are hiding and watching everything behind the walls.

In my next update, I will tell you how people of Damascus are severely split between pro/against the regime and how friendships and relations were terminated as an extension of a related argument. I will tell you how young kids in schools are participating in the strike simply by not buying from the canteen during breaks. I will share with you more info after meeting with couple of guys from tansiqya of Hajr aswad. I’ll be heading to Midan in Damascus on Friday to participate in my first actual protest against the regime (I hope it won’t be the last one although I don’t mind taking the consequences) this protest take an extra importance especially after signing the protocol and observers arrivals.

Finally, Giath Matter’s wife (may God have mercy on his soul) have given a birth to a beautiful baby girl and I have visited them at home. Basically, I was dragged to Daria and been showed a little girl who they claimed being his daughter (may God bestow his mercy on him). Few days later i was informed the same of being a new boy not a girl. However, i checked again and people were split between a boy or a girl. It’s another example of the amount of bullshit and false information you could get from both sides in Syria even if you’re living in there.

God bless you Syrian expats.

II.  In Damascus

First of all let me start with a statement I’ve heard here in Damascus from an old man “Damascenes and Aleppan ladies are useless to carry a president quality in their wombs. If he (Bashar) stays or leaves there will be no president from Damascus or Aleppo in the future” He further elaborates “People of Damascus do enjoy being bossed around by minorities, it’s in their blood”.

I was really getting annoyed with the car-rental service. Excuse me, I did pay in advance please check your records. Looking at me as if I’m speaking a language from the time of Jesus Christ then, she looks here and there then says, but no more cars at the airport so you need to go to the main office near Damascus tower. The main office! How will I reach the main office? Anyway they ask me to hop in with a driver who was leaving soon and he will drop me off just by the main office. I say marhaba (this word is more common to use to than salam) and he replies ahleen. I was relieved to hear his accent, surely he’s a Damascene (shami) not Alawi or from any other coastal city. Do you smoke? I reply no thankfully. Well done, he replies, but still he opens his glove box to take his packet of cigarette and all of the sudden I’m turned into this trapped passive smoker. So what do you think? I asked, it was a question on the spur of the moment, and I hoped not to regret it ever. He stares at me, sizes me up and down, inhales deeply and releases a bigger cloud of his killing smoke, (ta3bana) it’s not ok, he replies. Just looking ahead with no further talking till suddenly he snaps saying some bad language (ikhwat elsharmotta) (brothers of whore) I look ahead to find a flying checkpoint just before taking the exit off the airport highway.

Hi guys (marhaba ya shabab) he addresses the conscripts at the checkpoint, who reply back with a smile and ask for IDs. I look around to see a couple of motorcycles and a fancy car parked few meters away from the checkpoint, I look to other side to see a group of 5 men circulating around what looked like two containers of beans and hummus. We move on with no drama so I ask, how many of those (checkpoints) around here? You never know, he replies, it all depends on the situation but may God take them away to hell. It’s not an easy job to take them away, I replied, it will take longer time and more effort, I elaborated. He speeds up, as a sign of tension or something then counters back, not at all Inshallah soon we will crush all these troublemakers and our leader will take us to the shore of safety!!! I was utterly shocked as I thought we were on the same page, but it does not make sense, he’s a shami, why? It just does not make sense!! Pulling his leg, I said, just tell me how? After we clean Homs we will chase every one of this freedom (7eeryeh) group back to their leaders of Qatar and Saad Al-Hariri.

It’s quite notable for me to come across a shami man who’s completely opposing the opposition; he does not even acknowledge them as opposition. Take care my son and stay away from Reef-Dimashq, was his last sentence to me before hopping out the car. Day after day I kept meeting up with Damascenes from different backgrounds, social class and education level, it did not take me long to realize that non-sunni people are fully behind the regime and when I say fully I mean it just like that. On the other hand, a big portion and I might challenge the narration to say the majority of Sunnis in Damascus are in total support of the regime. Yes, I come across lots of people who were opposing in public, there were not afraid and their answer was like (they’re busy chasing up armed men so we’re the least the care about now). Yes, the tansiqiat (coordination groups) are doing an amazing job and I have to tip my hat for them but in reality the big picture says that people of Damascus are asleep and actually they have put on a sign “Please don’t disturb” we’re asleep and PREFER to stay asleep.

Amazingly enough, the young kids of Damascus are more active and I’m not exaggerating when I say maybe they are more developed politically then their parents. Heaps of Sunnis adults were bragging and saying we’re shabiha of the leader, many of them has no sense of sympathy with all killed martyrs throughout the country actually they are quite reluctant to call them martyrs. After long conversations with many of those Sunni-Menhebaks I could put my finger on one common thing which they all enjoy and share. They are all beneficiaries (mostafeeden) in a way or another and super lazy to take this leap of faith to freedom, they prefer their weekly picnic (seeran) over a bright future and a break in Bloudan over political pluralism.

In my next update I’ll try to cast some light on women’s point of view and participation in this revolution.

III. Myopia People

As I said in the last segment, Heaps of Sunni adults in Damascus are bragging and saying they’re the real shabiha of the “leader”, many of them have no sense of sympathy with all the killed martyrs throughout the country and actually they are quite hesitant to call them martyrs. I’m quite reluctant to refer to those as “fence sitters” because simply they are not; they are people with their own understanding and way of perceiving things. It’s true that there is a big segment of Damascenes who are in favor to hold arms, not to topple the regime but more to retrieve their “lost-lifestyle” which they have lost to “jama3et el-7eriya” the freedom group 10 months ago.

Many tried to understand and analyze the attitude of this segment of Damascenes and maybe Aleppans for that matter, many descriptions and fancy words have been used to diagnose their current mind state. Things like silent opposition, ash under the fire, concerned for their wealth …etc. However, after spending a decent period of time in Damascus I have my simple interpretation of their attitude and unexplainable behavior. Those “fence sitters” are not troubled or in struggle to examine and explore the obvious; not at all, actually those are in full satisfaction with their stand and enjoying bursting comprehension to the surrounding and consequences to their actions.

I call this cult the “myopia people” who can’t see further than their noses and sadly speaking it’s in their hands to end or maintain the lifespan of the current regime. This cult is consisted of different sects and backgrounds, and the Sunnis of Damascus are taking the lead of it. One might argue saying these are the Menhebaks or elmostifedeen (beneficiaries) which is not true at all. These people are smart enough to understand what’s going on, they’re not in favor for Bashar himself or for his incompetent government not at all, and if you observer their actions you would notice how they oppose Bashar and criticize him along with his cronies in public with no fear but surely their open mouths of criticism to the regime is incomparable to the hate and despise they have for “jama3et el-7eriya” protesters.

What’s more, I decided to run my own analysis trying to understand more about this segment of people. I was enthusiastic enough to go an fetch personal info (I know that’s not ethical) about many people who I chose to be a part of my case study and sometimes I took the risk not only to push it a notch but rather too much. I did have chat with more than 10 people from different sects (5 Sunnis,3 Alawis and 2 Christians) I tried my best to use only one set of questions such as what, who and why. Of course, one of the first questions was to ask whether he/she is a fan of Addonia TV. I’m still in process to concatenate my findings and conclude more but for the sake of this post I’ll address you with only three scenarios.

Scenario one: (Male, Sunni, 52 years old, middle-class close to poor, dairy business, married) This mark did not only defend the regime fiercely but he took the extra step to put up a sign in his shop which says (Ma 3ina 7eriya) Something like we don’t sell freedom.  I struggled to understand his behavior especially that he’s operating his little diary in Share3 Al-ameen next to Alshghour  (Sunni old Shami neighborhood). Right at the beginning and giving his background and the location of his shop, I could exclude the possibility of him being an ass kisser or (tamse7 jou’7) as we call it. Excluding the act of hypocrisy has lead me to my second naïve conclusion that he might be one of those” mostifedeen” (beneficiaries) so I did dig deep into his life to find out more.  However, the results were pretty disappointing for me as this fellow was with NO relation to the following (government employment, military service, big trade or business, Alawi relatives, paid trumpet (bouq) … etc)!!! He’s a clean dude similar to each of us who has no ties whatsoever with the regime. I did this exercise many times and kept collecting more and more info but always the puzzled face and astonished eyes was the answer.

Consequently, I decided to move to phase2 and have a direct talk with him. Hi uncle (marhaba3amo) “we say uncle out of respect to older people in Syria” can I grab this and that? The man looked and sounded as friendly and normal as he could get while he has Al-Arabiya TV channel on talking about the “staged” explosions in Damascus few days ago. I found it hard to open the “sensitive” topic butfinally with a big smile (trying to be funny) I asked him (can I have 2 kilos of freedom) he looked me in the eyes for few seconds and out of the blue he said you don’t look like Mukhbarat or Tansiqya and then he laughed out. I found it interesting how he shared publically these feelings of hatred to Mukhbarat, but what’s more interesting is that he’s equaling the bad image and impression of Mukhabart with Tansiqya. I asked for a can of coke and we started a chat, he started by addressing me with “we had the real freedom, we don’t need their freedom” another point got my eyes that he kept talking as (we) instead of (I) every time he talks politics. “We had the freedom of living our life the way we wanted, we ran our business hours the way we liked, we went for picnics and trips at any time we desired, our ladies were safely wondering around Damascus, and no one ever put a lock on my shop to prevent me from earning my sustenance”… (few minutes of ranting on the same line) … then after a long sigh he elaborated “look at us now! God damn them”. I went a bit blunter and asked again how come? “Before al2zmeh (crisis) Mukhbarat and their friends were living away in their cages of security branches, we did not talk politics and no one ever harmed us, this was the unspoken gentlemen agreement between the ruler and people. They (Mukhabarat) have never been in our neighborhoods or marched into our houses, but now they’re everywhere disturbing our ladies and stealing our money”. I asked but 3amo ya3ni freedom & dignity and he snapped back saying “and who told them we want freedom or dignity we by our actions define our dignity, the dignity we once had but now look at us no freedom and no dignity and no future”. I thanked him a lot and took my way out towards old Souq Medhet Pacha on feet trying to put myself in his shoes in order to digest his point of view and see where he and many others are coming from, it was a nice walk till I was intercepted by a van of Shabiha who were guarding the entrance towards Omayyad mosque, they fully pissed me off and destroyed my mood so I jumped into a taxi and went home.

Scenario two: (females, Sunni, 30s, @ Tofaha bakery next to town centre mall near Sahnaya). At the exact time when Mukhabart and Shabiha were bombarding Douma and Mouadamiya suburbs in Damascus, I decided to go to the mall to see whether the fact of killing people would prevent Damascenes from going out.  I was pretty disappointed to see the crowds enjoying their shopping time as if the killing is happening in Palestine (business as usual) not only 10km away. I was sitting at my table waiting for my order (manakeesh & muhammara) next to atable of five women all veiled with very conservative Sunni looking. Of course in Syria you can’t just go and talk to ladies so I could not help it but togive them my ears especially when I heard them saying “5arabo elbalad” they destroyed the country. I readjusted my seat and paid full attention to their “secure” conversation (except from a nosy pervert like myself). That statement was seconded by others with (y26a3 3omrhm) may God take their lives away. At that time I was fully confident that they were refereeing to either Shabiha and Mukhabart or simply the clan. However, the hammer on my head was arrived when the most senior lady amongst them who looked to be (7amayah) the mother in law issued her disastrous statement saying “one day here and one day there we had enough, Inshallah Mr. president will relief us from them very soon and forgood, we had enough really we had enough (el3ama yedreben) may God blind them” she elaborated “yesterday I could not find an original block of Fa soap in supermarkets!!!” I was utterly shocked and went speechless so I spitted out my food and walked away.

Scenario three: (Male, Christian, 28 years old, Jaraman). This guy was aware of my intentions and he asked me to deliver his voice out. He sees himself more inclined towards the revolution, “might be the age” he reckons. His family members are in total opposition to the revolution, I asked why? And was expecting the same old answer “it’s an existence question for Christians” but his reply was sweet and concise, he assures us that yes it’s true that there are these feelings of insecurity within the Christian community but nothing more than any other community within Damascus. He confirms that the opposition groups tried to reach out to them to validate their worries and guarantee some securities; even he goes an extra mile to confirm that Christians in Damascus are not afraid whatsoever of sectarian killing which might break out in the future. I asked the question then why do you folks oppose the revolution? He answers by quoting his mum “they are the reason for disturbing our life and unleashing these herds of shabiha into our life”.

The common pattern between these three examples is stark and obvious; those people are upset and angry about having their lifestyle disturbed. Furthermore, their life has been somehow dented in a way or another by the regime and its actions but unfairly decided to blame the revolution instead. Most horribly, they don’t acknowledge the demand of protesters and have ZERO sense of sympathy or even connection with them. Concepts such as freedom and dignity are irrelevant to them, while many prefer to live and pass away in peace living on the margin. This segment is not in support for Bashar as a person as they could not careless who rules and fools. However, they are quite nostalgic to the era of the last 10 years, an era in which Syrians (high consumption rate) defined and measured their prosperity by their access to products on supermarkets shelves and their frequent weekly picnics. The regime’s foundation of support is mainly comprised of this segment in addition to the classic Menhebaks, Mostifeedeen and minorities in Damascus. I have no idea how but the opposition groups need to break this foundation and find their methods to address this segment of people, although I, personally, find it impossible to reach people who trade their freedom and dignity for a block of Fa and Friday picnic.

IV. A quick note about Palestinians in Damascus

Palestinians (around 250 thousand) in Damascus are mainly gathered in Palestine & Yarmouk refugee camps next to Midan and Qadam. The regime and opposition did their best to lure them to their sides but they (Palestinians) decided to stay on the fence with the attitude of we’re just temporary visitors here in Syria so please keep us out of it till we go back home to our Palestine. Bouthaina Shaaban did try to frame the Palestinians in many incidents, consequently, Ahmed Jibril (PFLP-GC) met with Bashar and cleared the air. One security personal told me currently they are ordered to treat two types of IDs with respect at every checkpoint, that’s being either a security personal or a Palestinian.

 Many Palestinians have been killed during this revolution; recently three were killed in the last bomb in Damascus when a mini-bus operates on Mezha-Palestine rout was passing by the Carlton hotel. I did attend the funeral of one of them who was named (Khaled Abu-Madi) in Yarmouk camp. The alarming issue that the opposition is not doing any serious effort to gain the Palestinians, there are lots of rumors that people of Midan distributed flyers in the camp saying (we will take our houses back very soon after toppling the regime and send you back to where you come from) and even people of Hajr Aswad  were chanting (bedna ne7ki 3ala elmakshof falastini me bedna nshoof) which means frankly speaking we don’t want to see any Palestinian in Syria. To add misery to their concern, the regime is distributing pamphlets quoting one SNC member who’s saying (there are 40 thousand governmental jobs are stolen by the Palestinians in Syria while Syrians are unemployed) and Haytham Almaleh saying (Palestinians drink 17 thousand fresh water bottle everyday in Damascus while Syrian are thirsty somewhere else) I could not confirm if these statements were actually issued but surely they are leaving very negative impact and not helping the Palestinians to fully join the revolution.

Posted on January 29, 2012, in Syria. Bookmark the permalink. 311 Comments.

  1. SYRIAN HAMSTER

    This is not mine. It is too good to be mine. It is addressed to 7afez Al-Assad


    نسيقية الثورة السورية في حماة
    شاعر اللاذقية

    لعنتُ روحك في سرّي و في علني
    يا حافر البغلِ يا قاذورة الزمنِ

    تحوي الدماءَ عروقُ الناس قاطبة
    إلا عروقك لا تحوي سوى النتن

    يا سارق الشام إن الشام قد كفرت
    بدين غدرك و استعلت على الوثن

    سابقْتَ إبليس في خبثٍ فكنت له
    شيخا تدرسه منظومة الشَّطَنِ

    يهذي وريثُك كالملسوع مضطربا
    هذْيَ الغباوة لعثمةً فيُقْرِفني

    باع البلاد لأحفاد المجوس كما
    بعتَ اليهودَ ذرى الجولان لم يَصُنِ

    أخوه يفتك مثل الوحش مقتديا
    بالعمّ يتْبَعُ ذاتَ النهج و السَّنَنِ

    فافخرْ بنسلك يا مثبورُ مزدهيا
    هذا سفيهٌ و ذا جحشٌ بلا رسن

    و الصِّهرُ ينهَشُ نهش الضبع ليس له
    من طَبْعة الناس إلا صورة البدن

    ما هذه الخِلفةُ الملعون أجمعها
    ما منكُمُ أحدٌ للهِ لم يَخُنِ

    يعوي بلَعْنِكَ ذئبُ الغابِ من عجَبٍ
    يقول غدرك يا مقبورُ أفزعني

    حتى البلابل تدعو الله ضارعة
    تشكو فسادك إن غنَّتْ على فَنَنِ

    تقول عدلك يا جبار ينصفنا
    فأضرمِ النار في قبْرٍ و في كفنِ

    فاهْنأ حُوَيْفِرُ نارُ القبر تسليةٌ
    في جنب حظِّكَ يوم الفصل إن يَحِنِ

    و اهربْ بجلدكَ يا بشار هرولةً
    و اعمل بنصحيَ إذْما كنتَ تسمعُني

    يا عاشقَ الرجسِ و الأوساخ و العفنِ
    تلكَ المزابلُ فاقصدها و دعْ وطني

    شاعر اللاذقية

  2. Remarkable article, by far one of the best things to ever come out of any website dedicated to discussing the region.

    “those people are upset and angry about having their lifestyle disturbed. Furthermore, their life has been somehow dented in a way or another by the regime and its actions but unfairly decided to blame the revolution instead.”

    I know the feeling. It’s a natural one, actually. Unless someone has been directly affected by events, felt some deep loss or hurt, then one judges events by how much these events adversely affect one’s standard of living. And of course it’s easier to blame the revolution, the party that seems far away and distant from Damascus. Here in Homs, it’s the other way around.

    I sympathize with these people, because until April I was one of them. But these people do not need to be won over. They will accommodate themselves with whatever comes in the regime’s place. They are non players, not participants in the political life of the country. There are enough Syrians who have been angered enough to carry the day. The only thing standing between them and Besho is the army, which is why junior has to make a point of killing scores of people everyday.

  3. Agree with Aboud, True has done a superb job.

  4. some guy in damascus

    ah, the embarrassing Damascene middle class, it people like them that i thank god im from midan. um i think they have a name for their fallacy in economic terms: post hoc, ergo propter hoc Literally, “after this (in time), therefore because of this.” A common error made in thinking about causation: If Event A happens before Event B, it is not necessarily true that A caused B.

  5. Nice observations and comments. It is clear that the majority are fence sitting and whatever they say they will come out clean.

    I think this is pure superb Damascene intelligence and cunning.

    True could not get any one to commit one way or the other.

    One measure though is how many people have Syria News on?

  6. Is it true that their is fighting near Damascus Airport? Please confirm

  7. Dear Jarthouma,
    I read that in a couple of posts on FB. But no confirmation yet,

    There are also news of large demonstrations in Aleppo in many points. The university has been a revolution hot spot from the early days and it is getting more active every day. Today there are news of large demos in Jamiliyya district. Aleppo is starting on large scale and it sure spells trouble to the regime who now wants to hit as hard as possible to quell the revolution in a short time, which will not happen.

  8. من رواية شرق المتوسط

    ‎”هاأنا ذا أعود وقد تعلمت شيئاً واحداً , وتعلمتة بالصدفة , أتعرفون هذا الشيء
    أيها الجلادون ؟ انه الحقد , و من حقدي و حقد الملايين سوف نهدم سجونكم , سنهدم
    سراديبكم , لن نبقي سجناً واحداً يقف على تلك الأرض الممتدة من الشاطيء الشرقي
    للمتوسط حتى أعماق الصحراء , سنهدم السجون بأيدينا لا بألسنتنا كما كان يفعل الكثيرون
    كانوا يهدمون السجون بألسنتهم ثم يرممونها مرة أخرى , و يفتحون فيها أنفاقاً جديدة
    و يضيفون لها دهاليز جديدة لكي تستقبل الأمواج الجديدة , خذوني هذه المرة
    ولكن لن تأخذوا إلا جسداً ميتاً , أما ماحاولت أن أنقذه فأنتم الذين أنقذتموه ”
    عبد الرحمن منيف

  9. Aleppo can no longer be considered a “silent city”, they came out at the most dangerous time in the county’s history. The university students have been amazing, they keep coming out despite repeated brutal crackdowns by the regime.

    Any other despot with an ounce of self respect would have left by now.

  10. Aboud
    Check this out

    حلب :: الجامعة :: شاهد عيان :: وقوف سيارة دبل كبين نمرتها جيش 916737 محاولاً النزول من السيارة لكن الأحرار هجمو عليه وأوسعوه ضربا وعندما حاول إخراج الروسية لرش المتظاهرين هجم عليه أحد الأبطال و أخذو منه الروسية واستولو على السيارة وتم رفع عليها علم الإستقلال, الله محيي الأبطال.

    و بحسب شاهد عيان آخر ، تواجد أحد عناصر الجيش الحر في نفس المكان و تم الهجوم عليه ظنا منهم أنه من أحد الشبيحة و لكن تم تدارك الموقف و تحية لأحرار الجيش الحر..

  11. Jordan and Morocco are out of the “observers” mission. No more excuses to cooperate with the Iraqi observers, who are implicated in providing information to the Syrian regime that is being used to murder Syrian. AL officially suspends the mission and implicate the regime’s excessive reliance on “security” option.

    My concern, why the hell they keep calling it security option. Any place where the regime thugs get their asses kicked out becomes a secure place and enjoys a normal life. Areas where regime thugs are still in are areas where fear and insecurity reign and where people are insecure in their lives and property. They should from now on call it the terrorist option.

  12. LOL OTW. That really made my day. Thanks :) Allah hayi abtal Halab!

  13. Inspiration إلهام

    Response to comments from the previous thread.

    I don’t think any leader, no matter how charismatic, honorable, fine, intellectual, revolutionary, atheist, religious, or angelic, can ever be more inspiring than the demonstrators on the street who witnessed the regime’s murders first hand still came out to face bullets with nothing but their yearning for freedom and dignity. Or more inspiring than the defectors who know that they face treacherous execution any moment their intentions are betrayed by their eyes, and yet take the risk as they defect until they reach the safety of defecting comrades only to risk their lives protecting the peaceful protesters.


    The inability of the SNC to inspire has nothing to do with the SNC’s internal or external handicap, it is inherent in the heroism of the Syrian revolution itself, nothiong and no one can ever be more inspiring. It is the stuff legends are made of.

  14. True

    remarkable report. I hope you will write more about your trip.

    Here is a video from msnbc:

    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/46176809#46176809

  15. Thank you True for a wonderful and insightful post. That was a risky trip you took. Thank God you are back and safe.
    I wanted to comment on your observations concerning people’s attitudes toward the revolution. I think you are reading the situation incorrectly. I have talked at length with my brother about the attitude of ordinary people in Halab. His observation starts very similar to yours on the surface and as he digs deeper, he discovers that things are completely different. He tells me that if you are sitting in a café or restaurant or even in a big assembly of people, you hear everyone talking about our “dear leader” getting rid of those “mukharibeen” and saving the country from chaos. You hear about how appreciative people are to the “brave” Syrian army for protecting the people from “the armed groups”. My brother said that when you go into a very small group of people in a safe environment, the same people that were praising the “dear leader” and the “brave army” usually start cursing the day Syria got those thugs as rulers. Being a country of millions of people that have what we call “good hand writing” aka informers, it is very dangerous for people to speak their minds in public freely. We all know how when we talk about the regime, even in our own homes with no one around, we tend to lower our voices. Did you notice how the information that you got form the three people was so different when the last guy, the young Christian, knew what you were trying to accomplish and told you what he really thinks? The dairy store owner did not know who you were and consequently had to give you the spiel. I would not be surprised if this man is actually giving money to support the demonstrators. The ladies also were sitting in a public place and were fully aware that they could be overheard.
    Bottom line, I do agree and know first hand that there are still people who support this regime, but I also know for sure that in reality they are a very small minority if you dig enough below the surface.

  16. “The inability of the SNC to inspire has nothing to do with the SNC’s internal or external handicap, it is inherent in the heroism of the Syrian revolution itself, nothiong and no one can ever be more inspiring. It is the stuff legends are made of.”

    OTW,
    this is your comment? what are you talking about…. I really don’t see what one thing has to do with the other? Maybe if you are talking about the street in the protesting areas, but this is not the issue – the issue is the other 12 millions Syrians who are doing nothing and who tend to view the political opposition as incompetent.
    Second, you are the one who says it is not functioning and you haven’t come out with any explanation in detail of why and what the implications of that are or aren’t.

    Finally, Please note: SELF GLORIFICATION IS THE ROAD TO HELL….

  17. Sheila, you conclusion is an assumption for which you and I have no way of knowing its validity either way, since we are not mind readers.
    Another question: what is the relevance of not really believing something in your heart but deciding to believe it in public- or to assume this belief because one’s condition demands it? where does that leave everyone? this is the nature of totalitarian situations.

    (note this is rhetorical, i don’t have some answer in mind)

  18. The fence sitters are by no mean less patriotic than me or you. However, time is of essence. The longer this fight for dignity and social justice drags on the more dangerous it will get. The more complex it will become for all.

    Shortsightedness seems to be the dominant trait of the majority of elected and non elected leaders around the world. Ordinary men and women have come to such realization for some time now. It is apparent, worldwide, from the outset of the Arab Spring from Tunisia, to America, to Europe….and throughout the Arab world.

    The regime in Syria will fall, period. If it was not for the FSA the streets will be littered with higher number of casualties. The number of refugees inside and outside Syria will have been in the millions. That will have given the illegitimate authority in Syria a free hand in fulfilling their sickening scenario.

    The fear today is that chaos will prevail if things went out of control. The street is vigilant and aware, but hopefully the forces of darkness and their tools will find no place in our midst.

    University students in Damascus universities did not shy away, to the contrary. The first women protest took place in Damascus, a number of women gathered ” Damascus Silent Women Protest 2011-05-02 “, Kafr Souseh…

    Our differences aside we are in it together. We are at a pivotal point, both in terms of this noble revolution and in the history of Syria. How we will define our future…., without losing focus on those who lost their lives selflessly for a better tomorrow, for their children, our children and generations to come.

    I truly enjoyed reading your post, and Sheila’s response. Closer and close

  19. Thank you for this disappointing but frankly unsurprising (not to mention, brave!) report. I have family who cross the socioeconomic strata, and this is what I would have expected of them (not to mention, seen of them online). God Willing, True can return after the fall of the regime and re-interview his subjects, all of whom will likely swear that they were with the Revolution from the beginning.

  20. Nobody needs the Palos in the revolution at this moment. They are more fo a liabilty than an asset.

    If any major demonstration breaks out in the camps, the regime will massacre them with impunity, and then claim the Palos were harbouring Al Qaeda in the camps. So lets keep them out of this.

  21. True, I could not put your text down; excellent. Waiting for the next instalment. Love the cartoons.

    AJE : thousands of soldiers sent to Damascus.

  22. Dear Zenobia
    You are rushing a little. I am not glorifying the SNC (i am not a member). But one has to recognize the heroism of those on the street. I am following almost 24/7 and what is happening is really beyond anyone or any small group to affect or lead.

    I do recognize the failings of the SNC, and will always be vocal about them. But at the same time i don’t see them as having major impacts on the ground, not only because of their own failing but also because of the nature of the Syrian revolution and its evolution in ways that have not been before and have no similar model in the past. Part of the problem is also the nature of the regime itself.

    This is not an ideological revolution and there is no single ideology that can galvanize the entire street.

    I think that the number of people who think that the political leadership is incompetent is far larger than 12 million. But at the same time, no one gave these people the democratic confidence and vote to lead anything and we should recognize that as one key reason for their need to follow the street instead of leading it. They are self selected group of people who decided to join efforts in order to provide representation of the people on the ground and to provide a political and diplomatic arm. Their skills and ability to represent the streets continue to improve as more people from the inside now join the exiled. I am not willing to discount them, but I will not put the revolution on hold until the SNC or anyone else is ready to assume leadership. The revolution creates its leaders, and in the case of the Syrian Revolution, many of these leaders are for now underground as they should be.

  23. What do you mean by Palos?

    Nusayyif a name? What is the basis of choosing this alias?

  24. Dear Zenobia

    But you are also right, i think that the paragraph should be revised to

    The inability of the SNC to inspire has less to do with the SNC’s internal or external handicap than with the inherent in the heroism of the Syrian revolution itself, nothing and no one can ever be more inspiring. It is the stuff legends will made of.

  25. Robin Yassin-Kassab

    excellent post, True.

    KT – of course we need the Palestinians. We need everyone we can get, but especially the Palestinians. I recently had an argument with friends who run a pro-Iran, pro-Hizbullah human rights organisation in London – because they get themselves worked up over hijab bans in Europe and have failed to notice the carnage in Syria. Except once. The one time they noticed was when the Palestinian camp in Latakia was attacked by shabeeha. In other words, the people who still hold to the ‘resistance regime’ rubbish, and who believe the revolution is a foreign (Saudi-Israeli) conspiracy, have their asumptions seriously challenged when they see Palestinians taking part in the revolution and being repressed. Palestinians are close to the hearts of all politicised Arabs. We need them.

  26. Dear Robin
    Good to see you around, and thanks for answering regarding the Palestinians.

  27. Dear Zenobia,
    My conclusion is not an assumption. It is based on many conversations and observations that I had and my brother had in and outside Syria. It is also based on my knowledge of Syria and its people from growing up there, going to school there and working there. I do firmly believe that the majority of Syrians are against the regime, including many minorities and many Alawis; on the other hand, I also believe that many in Syria do not want the regime to fall because of fear of the unknown. This all makes a whole lot of sense from the stand point of human nature.
    Taking into consideration the brutality of this regime, it is not bewildering why not all Syrians are on the streets. As a matter of fact, it is astonishing that anyone is actually on the streets calling for freedom.
    You ask yourself and all of us: what is the relevance of not really believing something in your heart but deciding to believe it in public- or to assume this belief because one’s condition. Where does that leave everyone?
    My question is: why does it matter to have everyone on the streets? Why is it so important from your view point? When did it ever happen that all, and I mean all, the people went out against a certain regime? There will always be loyalists, there will always be cautious and scared people, there will always be skeptics and there will always be people betting on the wrong side. If you look at the composition of the demonstrators you will find people who have nothing to loose, people who have been hurt directly by the regime, people with conviction and principles and young people with a lot of enthusiasm and hope for a better future. Those who have a lot to loose are probably not going to be out on the streets. This does not mean that when the revolution is victorious, they are going to try to sabotage it. At this point they don’t really matter (there are enough people on the streets) and in the future they are not going to arm themselves and fight for Bashar al Assad’s memory, so why are you so worried about their opinion or even the fact that they even exist at all? They made their decision to marginalize themselves, so let us grant them their wish. When was it in a democracy that you had 100% of people of the same opinion? Isn’t it usually 51% to 49%? Or is it that you truly believe that more the 50% of Syrians support the regime?

  28. Dear Nusayyif,
    You said: “Nobody needs the Palos in the revolution at this moment. They are more fo a liabilty than an asset.
    If any major demonstration breaks out in the camps, the regime will massacre them with impunity, and then claim the Palos were harbouring Al Qaeda in the camps. So lets keep them out of this”.
    I completely agree with your opinion about the Palestinians not getting involved and that goes for all the other minorities. This is why most Christians and Alawis are disguising their affiliations when joining the revolution. It seems that the regime is punishing the minorities a lot harder when they are found in demonstrations. They are considering them traitors.

  29. “Nobody needs the Palos in the revolution at this moment”

    Really? When Dar’a was under siege, with electricity,water and food cut off, it was the Palestinians in the nearby refugee camp who risked their lives to smuggle in food to the besieged areas. Alot of them paid with their lives.

  30. Nusayyif said,

    If any major demonstration breaks out in the camps, the regime will massacre them with impunity, and then claim the Palos were harbouring Al Qaeda in the camps. So lets keep them out of this.

    Nusayyif,

    Your statement is hypothetical, yet pointing to the cynical use of the Palestinians as a tool for the Arab dictator. Assad may massacre Palestinians, but Assad is massacring Syrians now, as we speak.

    Maybe Assad should give the Palestinians full Syrian citizenship like the Israelis have to their arab population.

  31. Dear True,

    Thank you very much for your report.

    OTW
    “This is not an ideological revolution and there is no single ideology that can galvanize the entire street.”

    This is exactly the point. Especially in a country that has been for 40 years under an extremely oppressive regime that did not allow for any organized opposition to exist and also caused an immense brain drain. All I hear, read or see does not surprise me at all. The Revolution is about fixing some basic injustices. How that evolves after Besho goes is a different subject altogether. The point has already been made here several times: there is no going back to the ancien regime, that Syria is over.

  32. To day on Istiqlal Istanbul two actions : Syrian Tcherkess for the revolution ! and a Syrian protest in front of the Russian embassy.

    This on FB:
    The Syrian Days Of Rage – English
    Breaking News: Defection of entire Missile Battalion in #Damascus countryside. Threatened to bombard the Presentational Palace and the intelligence headquarters in the event of an air strike and negotiations are under way to vacate the site and secure supplies and defected soldiers!

  33. They should have gone ahead

  34. Dear Findalaawi
    Welcome to 7ee6an, just noticed your comment. You should have now delay or moderation of your comments after the first one.

  35. Thanks everyone and thanks OTW for giving us the space to pass the narration. My time in Damascus was a life changing experience, and It’s this feeling of guilt I’m living with since i left Syria, thinking of all those people who I met and shared bread and salt!

    Palestinians in Homs camp are doing an amazing job similar to the camp of Dar’a as Aboud kindly reminded us. I know for fact that collected cash (donation) from Tansiqyat in Damascus is passed to people of Homs through the Pals refugee camp. Personally speaking, I think Pals have already joined the revolution but the regime prefers to ignore their actions for the time being. At the end of the day there are at least 50,000 trained fighters amongst them and such a number will just flip the table up side down if Betho tries to poke them hard.

    Some megalomaniac on this 7ee6an is just opposing everything without making any sense. I invite this person to be a bit realistic.

  36. Son of Damascus

    OTW,

    Al Ghouta in Damascus (near the Airport) had some sort of “military operation”, the road to the Airport was closed and flights that were leaving to Damascus were delayed, and are en route now.

    Also Hamoourieh, Irbeen, Zamalik and Douma have seen heavy shelling, family members were warned not to open their factories and tell their employees to stay home or their factories will be burnt.

    Finally this may be a little too close for home for betho and gang but gunfire exchange heard on the edges of Mazzeh (Near the old airport).

  37. Dear Paul
    I think that regime apologists, especially the intellectual wanna-be who continue to argue that there is no clear political alternative to Assad, continue to forget that the idea here is not to have a democracy at the instant the tugs are kicked out, but rather to remove the impediment that has prevented Syria from evolving beyond the stagnant and repulsive state it has existed in for the past 40 years. There is no going back, and the steps ahead can not continue unless the thugs are kicked out. I will not chance making a prediction of what follows except that it is going to be chaotic and full of life as various political ripples will vie to represent Syrians at the narrowest possible common grounds until these ripples identify more common grounds that will group them and combine them into major political currents. This will take time.

  38. Dear Son of Damascus
    Thanks for the information, I was lost trying to find out what has been happening. Today has been one of most eventful days in several localities with first-time actions springing all over the place.

    Dear Ms. Syrian Uprising
    I hope you are reading this, Can you kindly contact me through my email modotwblog@yahoo.com I would like to establish cooperation so that the maps you produce are reflected as soon as possible on 7ee6an. I am more than happy to dedicate a full page on 7ee6an for such an update.

  39. Heheheh Syria TV showed some people asking “the leader” to put on the military suit and use some needed force!!

    As if this incompetent PS2 boy is able to do so :)

  40. Dear OTW,

    Exactly. 100% agreed. Unfortunately we have far too many of these self defined intellectuals who like to dress like old fashioned European academics and show their inferiority complex at every possibility without hiding their scorn for the people.

    You do a great job, OTW!

  41. Dear True
    Let us please refrain from adjectives when talking to each others.

  42. The problem with the Palestinians in Syria is their corrupt leadership, the militias ( PFLP, PFLP-GC and DFLP ) are more or less Marxist-oriented, and have been in the Assad’s backpockets for the better part of 40 years, before that they were in Gaddafi’s back-pocket. Hamas is not much better, they have still to issue any clear statement regarding the Uprising, though they are still head and shoulders above Hezbollah. They are making amends by moving away from Iran-Assad axis and patching up with PLO, but when Raml al Falastine in Latakia was shelled by the regime, I was disappointed that they tried to cover it up.

    I do not trust Palestinian activism and think Syria will be better-off without it, just loook at Jordan and how much they have progressed by getting rid of the radicals among the Palestinians. Arabs first need to regain their own honour and dignity, then maybe we can help the Palestinians.

  43. Son of Damascus

    Dear OTW,

    What really surprised me is the threat of burning down the factories, and the relatives that were threatened are “pro regime”!

    This is a new development which may be the catalyst for the elites to change sides, one thing I know about Shami businessmen is that nothing is more personal than screwing with their income.

  44. ” I think Pals have already joined the revolution but the regime prefers to ignore their actions for the time being.”

    That is an interesting perspective, I think the case with the Kurds is also similar, they have more or less joined the Uprising, but Besho doesn’t use force on them, for fear of biting off more than he can chew. Huge rallies have regularly come out in the Kurdsh regions and in Kurdish suburbs in Aleppo and Damascus, but the shabbiha do not attack them. Also they are afraid they might lose Iraq’s blank-cheque support if they attack the Kurds.

  45. “What really surprised me is the threat of burning down the factories, and the relatives that were threatened are “pro regime!”

    Thats nice to hear, its already been tried in Aleppo, with good results, one or two arsaat were even shot by the FSA for continuing to fund the Shabiha.

  46. “one thing I know about Shami businessmen is that nothing is more personal than screwing with their income”

    LOL. That was funny the way you put it :)

  47. Son of Damascus

    Nusayyif,

    First of all calling my relatives and factory owners “arsaat” shows your level of intelligence and foresight into our country.

    Second if you were not so blinded by rage, hatred and bigotry you would see that the threat came from the REGIME and not the FSA. Actually members of the FSA contacted my relatives and promised to try and keep the factories safe, and that they appreciate the fact that they employ so many in the area.

    All of our factory workers have been working for us for generations, and are proud to work for us because we always treated them with the utmost respect and humility (which you have none). My family does not fund the Shabiha and never has, yes we have connection within the regime that does not equate to us funding the regime.

    By the way calling for murder of innocent civilians makes you no different than the Shabiha you claim to despise.

  48. Son of Damascus

    Dear Aboud,

    My Grand Father used to tell me “Ahl el Sham Akbar Boxarjieh” People of Damascus are the biggest boxers, not because of their fighting skills but because their hands are always clinched not willing to give a penny.

  49. Thugs have again hacked Al jazeera Live Blog –

    http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/Syria

    They are losing, thats why those losers are resorting to such antics.

  50. Really sorry S.O.D, I misjudged your statement, and didn’t realize you were talking about your relatives, but I am very very angry, and will remian like this until Bashar and Maher and the rest meet the fate of Gaddafi.

    I found True’s account of Damascus very disturbing, especialy the hate and contempt shown to the revolutionaries by even the conservative Sunni people, those ppl are really arsaat.

  51. “It’s quite notable for me to come across a shami man who’s completely opposing the opposition; he does not even acknowledge them as opposition. Take care my son and stay away from Reef-Dimashq, was his last sentence to me before hopping out the car”

    How could you be so sure the guy was an authentic Shaami ? I doubt how many shamis will use that crude language and the blatant violent intent openly. Lots of Jabalis who live in Damascus have shami accent, from the description of the guy he;s just another foaming-at-the-mouth sadistic Jabali peasant.

  52. Lets just all get along on this blog, and ignore the faults of your brothers, everybody has some faults, some big, some small.

  53. @ Sheila @ 5:37

    ok, it is your conclusion, however….you inevitably have to say “I believe” because you do not actually know what most people think.
    The other side thinks they KNOW what the majority of people think too.

    you said: “At this point they don’t really matter (there are enough people on the streets) ”

    how is that? there is not enough people at all in the two large cities. So, i do care.
    true, not everyone has to go to a protest. But i think it a necessity that people come out and be at the point of engaging in some kind of revolt on some level.
    I would not count on people who are ambivalent on all levels and unwilling to even say what you (Sheila) think they actually believe instead of what they show the world.

    It does come down to what one thinks the reality is underneath the bull. I do actually think it is more evenly divided than you do.

  54. Nusayyif

    Lets just all get along on this blog, and ignore the faults of your brothers, everybody has some faults, some big, some small.

    I do not know Son of Damascus or his family personally, but I resent this language.

    As for getting along on this site, it is easy for those among us who are not

    1. sectarian
    2. blinded by rage
    3. insensitive
    4. out for blood
    4. rash

    Encountering such, we as a group can be cooperatively uncooperative.

  55. Dear 7ee6anis

    Yassin Al-Haj Saleh just published this article in Al-Hayat about militarism, violence, and the revolution . Given that it falls right in our discussion, I have spent sometime to translate it to English using machine translation as a start and then performing very heavy editing. I think it is a good article coming from an intellectual who is not only on the inside, but also on the run.


    Yassin Haj Saleh – Regarding militarism and violence and revolution

    Little can be gained from discussing the growing military dimension of the Syrian revolution without placing it in the context of the 320 days of unconstrained and rampant violence practiced by the regime in its attempt to quell the revolt from the outset. Not much can be gained either by discussing intellectual, political, and psychological shifts that have occurred and are occurring in the society and within the revolution’s own environment throughout these bloody months. The outlines are known. The regime threw the army in to confront the foci of the Revolution and It killed many in the field who who refused to fire on their fellow citizens (Human Rights Watch report in December), leading some officers and soldiers to defect and out of these defections a loose umbrella was formed under the name «the Free Syrian Army FSA». The regime directed punitive and vengeful disciplinary campaigns akin to colonialist campaigns at cities and towns in and around Damascus, Homs, Hama, Idlib, and Deir Al-Zour , which resulted in civilians picking up arms here and there to face regime’s forces, albeit the regime has already pushed civilians in the conflict since the beginning and on a large scale: the Shabbeeha.

    These circumstances, which are known to all, imply an authentic military component of the revolution that can’t be overlooked in the context of its intellectual or political planning considerations. This dimension is neither brought from the outside nor does it possess an ideological underpinning that may have preceded its emergence.

    The emergence of this armed component does not undercut, today or since its beginning, the overarching peaceful character of the revolution. The peaceful nature of the revolution is rooted in its social composition, in the type of its demands, and in its primary protest tools (i.e., demonstrations), and not in any ideological preference or political tactics. It is now known that the juxtaposition of peaceful demonstrations flying banners and shouting chants and armed groups firing bullets does not say anything about what is happening in reality, but only covers the ignorance of those making such argument of the reality of what is happening with only figurative approximations.

    In fact, it would not have been possible for the peaceful demonstrations to continue in most of their sites had it not been for the protection provided by the Free Syrian Army with both of its military and civilian component and had it not been for its relative deterrence of the striking arms of the regime.

    Refusal to see this reality does not change it and hinders its understanding and more so the ability to influence it. And perseverance in reiterating argument against the arming of the revolution and against militarization without the slightest indication of a cessation of violence from the regime is akin to blaming the victims for their resistance to the aggressors. There are no nationalistic or humanitarian justifications for such an attitude.

    There is no doubt that at abstract values level, peaceful resistance is preferable to armed resistance. However, we are not in a store shopping for this or that, but in macro-scale reality, which imposed on a substantial number of Syrians the need to defend themselves as they faced a regime whose precise composition is what breeds hatred and violence and not emergent exigencies, nor popular demands, as a massive Syrian minister had recently uttered.

    What requires understanding and caution is that resorting to militarism can be associated, and today is actually becoming associated with anarchist and undisciplined practices. We can not deal with this reality with puritanical logic that refuses any armed resistance, or objects to the revolution itself under the pretext of the anarchist practices that may occur under its banners. This will not work as long as the regime persists in its own militarization. What could be useful is to work at the level of the revolution, not from outside or above, towards the direction of uniting the militant and civilians in a single concerted body and that the military component of the revolution be disciplined and directed by its general interest. This is not easy, and there is nothing that guarantees its accomplishment at the required level, but to continue singing about peaceful actions is a recipe that ensures it does not happen at all.

    Notwithstanding the prospects for chaos, violence is formatively elitist and un-democratic, and expansively spread of its exercise, even if it is disciplined, may raise the threshold of identification with the revolution and weaken the participation of women and children and the elderly. Our choices, however, are not between militarization and the non-militarization, but between unchecked and undisciplined militarism, and that of a checked, and perhaps more disciplined militarization.

    Furthermore, political change achieved by armed force may result in many social, political and security complexities, which is less favorable to democratic development than a peaceful transformation. But, again, our choices are not free, and the military component of the revolution is a byproduct of the intrinsic violence of the regime, not because of someone’s will or decision.

    The key point in all this debate is that there remains no room to restore the original innocence that predated blood, or to leisurely talk about facing the regime’s violence with bare chests, especially when expressed by those who do not participate in the revolution, neither with their chests nor with their backs. What is needed instead of illusionary innocence are initiatives and work toward military, political, and moral discipline of force. We have a chaotic unchecked reality, and the intellectuals and politicians perform their duty when they work to make it rational and organized and not when they purify and distance themselves from it. This is weakness.

    In fact, some of what is being said regarding militarism is driven by objection to the revolution itself and not by objection to the legitimacy of some of the practices under its banner. Revolution means the removal of the legitimacy of the regime and the denial of its national and public character, and, consequently, considering its violence a factional and unpatriotic, and the denial of any legitimacy and generality of any of its organs, which establishes the foundations for the new legitimate and popular, which is he revolution itself. While this does not confer an automatic legitimacy on all violence that may be exercised in its name or shadow, the only position that provides consistent objection to the uncontrolled violence is a position from within the revolution and with it, and not outside it or against it. Certainly, revolutionary violence is more legitimate than the violence of a regime murdering the people. It is a multiplier of legitimacy in that it is essentially forced and defensive even when it is offensive at the tactical level.

    There is already a genuinely peaceful mood in the revolution that dislikes violence, even in self-defense. But the best defense of peaceful action is to participate in the revolution including on the ground, and to work hard to strengthen its civil nature. The worst defense is to sit on the sidelines and singing praise of the beauty of peaceful actions.

    From the viewpoint of action, there is a need for legitimate public entity, that transcend the external embrace of the revolution’s cause and the standing beside it towards engagement in the revolution and the intellectual, political, and organizational morphing in manners responsive to its evolution and growing complexity. Such a public body would have coordinated between the components of the revolution and led it to achieving its national objective. Alas, this is not available. But one of the causes of optimism in Syrian Revolution is the multiplicity of the centers of thought and initiative, which proceed without the guidance of anyone, and never stop working in order to discipline the militarization and to develop the civil and popular character of the revolution.

    ————
    Yassin Haj Saleh
    Syrian dissident writer and
    Dar Al Hayat
    Sunday, 29/01/2012

  56. To OTW @ 5: 36

    I know you weren’t glorifying the SNC!… You were glorifying the Street! Which doesn’t need to be encouraged to engage in self-glorification…
    however, these people are not expected to worry about politics at this moment, indeed.

    And…. “i don’t see them as having major impacts on the ground”.. but that is my complaint precisely! They should be impacting something if they are to be relevant to the events inside and to those who are fence sitting.
    Who said anything about Ideology. It doesn’t require that – i think- I am imagining pragmatic leadership, not charismatic ideology.

    12 million…. I was being generous, and also – i had no idea what the number is if you subtract all the polarized and the minorities and essentially I was making some estimate of those who COULD care or SHOULD care about the leadership but frankly don’t at this point. Maybe this was a intuitive guess at what I secretly believe is the necessary potential.

    “but I will not put the revolution on hold until the SNC or anyone else is ready to assume leadership”… ! really is there a way to put the revolution on hold?! do tell…..
    again, i am not sure where you get this out of anything i said.
    I think I am not in favor of putting a revolution on hold. I am in favor of putting the rush to create an even more militarized revolution on hold.

    “we should recognize that as one key reason for their need to follow the street instead of leading it.”…

    I sooo disagree with you. And I think I will put my confidence in the Crisis Group expert and the people who have some understanding in how militarized situations go…instead of this romanticized version of “revolution” by the people… at the barrel of a gun.

    I don’t care whether the leaders are underground , above ground, in the air, or under water. What I care about is that they are not militaristic and have some political ability to make some proposals that are actually attainable.

    I think you are falling into a sink hole of romanticism OTW.

  57. Dear Zenobia

    To the contrary, I believe that I am not falling into the sinkhole of romanticism but into the harsh pit of reality of the complexity of the Syrian revolution. The SNC does what the SNC can do, and it is not structurally and politically composed to have the leading the revolution itself yet. Its political work is growing better, but the key work, which is relief and coordination is being done by multitude of groups, some of which are loosely connected to the SNC and some are completely independent of it. These include individuals who are risking everything to get things done. Yet some of its members are on the inside, and it is yet to be known, with them being under cover, how much are they influencing the actions on the inside.

    Please read the article by Yassin Haj Saleh i just translated. It is far more realistic than anything anyone of us can write because Yassin is one of the few intellectuals who are working inside the revolution. His arguments are very similar, albeit far more coherent and organized, to my proposal that the SNC takes initiative to provide coordination and support for the FSA and for the civilian part of the revolution. Furthermore, he also argues that the two component must become one and that efforts must be undertaken to unify them, which is also what I have argued for a few days ago. The article from Yassin, which I just noticed in fact confirms that I have been seriously thinking, and with all the intellectual honesty i could muster, no matter how little or much of that i have.

  58. While this does not confer an automatic legitimacy on all violence that may be exercised in its name or shadow, the only position that provides consistent objection to the uncontrolled violence is a position from within the revolution and with it, and not outside it or against it

    Today during the University of Aleppo Demonstration, the male students participating in the demonstration got fed up and proceeded to demolish a newspaper stand known to be owned by the Mukhabarat and operated by a regime shabee7. The girls objected and started shouting “peaceful… peaceful” which put the breaks on the boys’ rash action and got them to stop in short order.

    This if anything demonstrates the practical application of Yassin’s argument above albeit on a small scale that does not necessarily involve the FSA but rather a militant action by civilians.

  59. Not too long ago in Europe, I spoke at great length to the eldest son of a major merchant family in Aleppo. I believe his ideas and position are very similar to many like him. In a nutshell he said that the major problem was the excessive greed from the Assad/Makhlouf dinasty. Had they been more willing to share the fruits of the limited economic liberalization and probably some modest political reforms, Syria would be on a different path. They know how to play the current game: carefully betting on both sides until the tide clearly turns one way or the other.

  60. If they ask you why are Syrians rising up against the criminal Syrian regime, show them this video:

  61. Ok, OTW, I did just read the article. And I will read it a second time and probably a third in order to comment on it. There is a lot there.

    It is funny – though the example you just gave about the Aleppo students and your analysis of it. I would have been in favor of destroying a secret services news stand. I have no problem with militancy that challenges the object produced by the regime. To me, that is more civil disobedience like – like burning a flag or a sign. They should do it in the middle of the night, repeatedly.
    This is far cry from shooting guns at people or running check points while holding a rifle in people’s face.
    but let me save further comment till later after absorbing that.

    I thought True’s account was fascinating. My favorite kind of personal in the trenches ‘research’. His observations seem to confirm my own perceptions of the confounding attitude of so many persons who one would think would have no loyalty to the status quo.
    I have some further thought on the psychology of that. I do not think they do as they do because of a block of Fa (what the hell is that by the way) or the family picnic.
    I think it is far more deep than that- relating to their desire not to be the victim and not to identify with those who are under attack. So much so, that they are willing to deny what is happening or the reason for it.
    I do not deny there are circumstance much as Sheila also described, but for the most part – I just don’t think that all these encounters, especially those that are not in a public cafe but in a private conversation, are understood as people (to put it simplistically) faking it.
    Not to mention that – what people actually believe…in essence may be more layered than that… ambivalent and changing, contradictory… (eg hating the regime and hating the revolution at the same time).
    Is TRUE calling ME a megalomaniac?… without having the balls to use my name?
    Are you afraid of me True? or are you trying to get away with being an asshole for a second by not ‘naming names’.
    Whoever you are referring to, you should out with it. But I think you don’t actually know the definition of “megalomaniac”…. because if you did mean me – it would be like the pot calling the kettle black if i truly were one.

    I am not here to play nicey nice with anyone regardless of how good intentions anybody has or whether they are in good faith. i respect everyone here except Tlass, but I am not going to shut up, unless I just decide that the whole attempt at speech is just a waste of time anyhow, which I might if some people just want to cop out of discussion by calling names or being sarcastic or just trying to be disdainful in a mocking way.

    Here, I will be willing to name names: Nusayyif is actually Khalid Tlass violating his ban. And that is plain as day, from every tactic and crappy slip into sectarian predilections… to his use of several repeated expressions….”damn it” “frustrating”…”tough luck!” “disturbing” and “crude language” and excuses.. “I am just so upset” and “Lets all just get along”, as well as his love for question the true identity of component of the Syrian populations, Ironic isn’t it?
    Even Robin didn’t bother to use his new moniker….just called him KT, no beating around the bush. LOL.

  62. OTW,

    In your own words:

    “As for getting along on this site, it is easy for those among us who are not
    1. Sectarian, 2. blinded by rage, 3. Insensitive, 4. out for blood 4. rash
    Encountering such, we as a group can be cooperatively uncooperative.”

    We as a group! Syrian Gangsta? Then why do 7ee6anis vilify SC for their cult-like groupies? Is it because they are pro-as-sadist and you aren’t. Is this the Syria you are aiming for? I did not insult anyone OTW, matter of fact I got insulted. You stood by did nothing. Is it because Aboud is your waterboy? Perhaps you are so blinded by rage yourself, is that possible? Just as I thought I have a “Free” voice, I got bombasted by 7ee6an’s No. 2 man. What happened to the rules? Perhaps people are right, we can only live with an iron fist. OTW, you get to call who you cooperatively uncooperate with and whom you give carte blanche to use foul language, who can insult others and whom you say is out for blood. You sound like a Mafioso if you ask me.

    Ooops did I just speak my mind or did I just call for blood again?

    Aboud, yes I came back just to cry to Papa… I will just hop back to my psychiatric ward now.

    BTW, True although it wasn’t cool what you lamented about to Zenobia, your balls are made of steel. I commend you for what you did. Thanks for bringing us the reality on a silver platter.

  63. Husam , I do not know for whom you are trucking but I doubt it is for the revolution; a favourite tactic of those who infiltrate a movement is to deviate the group from what is essential, stir trouble, bring up unrelated topics. In short, try to derail it.

    Please, get your shit together and spare us your pananoïa.

  64. OK, this is romanticizing but it feels good

  65. “How could you be so sure the guy was an authentic Shaami ? ”

    It does not take you more than few words to find out the background of any person who has an authentic Shami background, and there’s always the question (min ween min el cham?).

    Sounds like Husam and Aboud are still up for each other eh!!! c’mon boys.

  66. I forgot to mention that all Tansiqyat in Syria are using a “Syrian developed” Iphone application which runs on VPN, it’s called “Mundasa” and it’s highly protected even the Russian and Persians could not hack it yet.

    Again it seems 7ee6an is one step ahead and according to an invitation which was sent late yesterday the Tansiqyat of Damsacus are inviting people to join funeral prayer of a martyr in masjed Al-Habib Al-Mustfa in Yarmouk Pals refugees camp although this martyr is not from there. Let’s see if this will happen and be the spark to drag Pals to take a side.

  67. Hussam, whatever :) Annie said it best;

    “Please, get your shit together and spare us your pananoïa.”

    What I love about Twitter is that I can bully the menhebaks mercilessly. I count the number of tweets before they go “I’m ignoring you now!”

    Zenobia

    “You were glorifying the Street! Which doesn’t need to be encouraged to engage in self-glorification…”

    Not sure I understand the main points of the discussion here, but Syrians today are writing their epic historical chronicles. The Americans had their 1776, the French their revolution, India their Ghandi, and Syrians can proudly take their place among the list of the world’s greatest revolutions.

    The worst thing the British ever did to Ghandi was jail him. In Syria,they cut the throat of our Ghandi, Giath Mattar. Different situations need different solutions, and judging from True’s observations, there is no hope whatsoever that the soft, complacent segment of Damascus is ever going to get some fire in its belly. Which is good for us too, because these softies will accept whatever comes in the regime’s place, they will never give the established power any trouble, regardless of the nature of that power. Dictatorships dream of ruling such a populace.

  68. It seems that the Turks have cancelled the idea of establishing a Northern buffer-zone by the Turkish borders. However, they have offered full support ($ + Weaponry) If Zabadani and surrounding areas are declared the new Syrian “Bingazi” then Betho will be literally under fire (If Betho still in Damascus), let’s see if Hizbollah will close the Lebanese mountains with Zabadani.

  69. Aboud
    One Egyptian tweet says
    يسقط الرئيس القادم
    I think it summarizes your last paragraph well with respect to accepting an incomplete solution.

  70. “Damascus is ever going to get some fire in its belly. Which is good for us too, because these softies will accept whatever comes in the regime’s place, they will never give the established power any trouble, regardless of the nature of that power. Dictatorships dream of ruling such a populace.”

    (softies) very nice :) , another word to be used from now on Mr.Aboud.

    Very good point Aboud and the way i would re-read your statement is something like “Those softies who’re enjoying pending down to Betho and his cronies will have ZERO influence on the Syrian political map further to toppling the regime”

  71. Aboud, you are right abt the “softies”, they will accept whoever comes in Betho’s place, the real tough ones are the hardcore peasant menhebaks. The softies will never fire a gun even in anger.

    What we should worry abt is talk of estalishing a Kosovo-type autonomus State in the Coastal regions, many sources say its already in the minds of many middle and low-ranking Alawi officers and apparently the Russian presence in Tartous is just for that purpose. Vast amounts of weaponry, including heavy weaponry, foodstuff, other essentials is reported to have been moving into the coastal regions for many weeks now, many arms shipments are arriviing, apparentl;y at least a section of Alawi officers are looking very seriously at this PLan B scenario. Many Alawi family members of Army officers who were living in Damascus have already moved to their home villages.

    Which means many understand that Besho’s days are numbered, and a matter of when not if.

    What is worrisome is the creation of such an autonomus State, which will lead to ethnic cleansing of the Sunni populations there, eternal civil war, and the Kurdish region and Suwayda3 might as well follow suit and declare autonomy and start ethnic cleanisng campaigns. It will be Bosnia all over. And apparently both the Turks and the US have wind of the situation and are trying to defuse it. However, this “Plan B” will be suported to the hilt by Russia, because it gets to retain its influence in the Mediterranean.

  72. Riyad al-ASAAD is promising that doors of hell will be opened on Betho’s face from now on. I still can’t understand how some of us are still pushing for USELESS political solutions instead of getting behind the FSA.

    Future TV is reporting that FSA was trying to attack Damascus airport yesterday in order to prevent Assma and her kids from leaving Syria. It sounds silly with no evidence but still funny to hear …..

    Aljazeera is reporting a protest breaking out in the Pals Yarmouk camp in Damascus!! OTW it seems your 7ee6an is offering some sort of a road-map to others.

  73. “However, they have offered full support ($ + Weaponry) If Zabadani and surrounding areas are declared the new Syrian “Bingazi” then Betho will be literally under fire (If Betho still in Damascus), let’s see if Hizbollah will close the Lebanese mountains with Zabadani.”

    Who can/will declare Zabadani the new Syrian benghazi ? IMpossible, Hezbollah will do everything in their power to stop it, and lets not underestimate Hezbollah.

  74. Great episode with Azmi Bishara, especially the second half

  75. Ashraf Rifi, the anti-Assad Lebanese Chief of Police, was targetted for an assassination attempt yesterday.

  76. “Who can/will declare Zabadani the new Syrian benghazi ?”

    If SNC shows a political presence in Zabadani, holds a conference and declares the liberated-Zone. who would stop them?
    Nowadays, locals of Zabadani and FSA leaders are using Kamal Al-Labwani’s house as the main headquarter to run and operate day-day activities.

    Try to look at it as a lego game where at a point of time all pieces will fall into place to achieve the goal.

  77. Just saw an videointerview with Rafik Schami. He was born in Maaloula and lives since 1970 in Germany. He is probably after Adonis the most famous syrian author alive, yet he is surely almost unknown to many Syrians. All of his books which he mostly writes in German are about Syria, about Damascus in general.

    Unfortunatly most Syrians will have to wait until the end of censorship in Syria to read from his books. In his interview he said some remarkable things:

    Asked why he has gone into exile leaving his hometown, homecountry aside he said: ” In Syria i could not have written what i wrote, i liberated my tongue in exile. I was writing an children story back in Damascus, and the censorer declined 1/3 of my book. He thought when i wrote about an donkey i actually meant the President. Our Presidents always think when we talk about donkeys and dogs we talk about them.”

    “Assad is lying not because he has the lust in lying, he must lie. If he would really shut down the 15 secret service agencies he is a dead man, if he would pull out the snipers we would see that Homs is within 2 hours an liberated city. Those dictators are prisoners of their own system, sooner or later they live in their own place, on their own planet, and they would still think that the people love them.”

    “Assad and his family came from an village.They act like they have always lived in Damascus. They have forgotten that, the revolution did not start in the cities where the people are forced to bribe and get bribed, where the security apparatus has a tight control. It started in the rual areas because those people living there got neglected and were left alone with their problems. Now we see that the intellectuals, the writers, actors are trying to understand this we can say analphabetic revolution.”

    “We arabs have brought the world prophets, but we can not fix a gutter. We can not unite and get rid of one dictator.”

    I insert the videolink, its in german,just that some will get an eye on the author. Some of the books are translated into english such as “The Calligraphers secret”

    http://www.videoportal.sf.tv/video?id=029f38fc-60d6-44bb-85a4-cf3cdee34091

  78. I just cannot wait till the whole of Syria is liberated by the FSA, and the tyrants head for the hills like ants. ooohhhh when will that day come.

  79. Dear Zenobia
    Nusayyif may be KT, and a few other personas. But here on 7ee6an, one rule says that exposing the real identity of any poster is a violation. While this does not apply to speculating whether N is KT (because neither is likely to be a real identity), The primary objective of that rule in the policy is to ensure to all users of the site a level of anonymity. I am not a person of intrigue and I do respect site users’ privacy in the sense that I don’t go around digging and tracing IP addresses unless I need it to ban an IP and/or user name. And even then, I don’t try to find where the poster is posting from and whether she/he is using proxy server or not. All I do is use the IP and user name to block the person (IPs don’t word well if the poster is using services that mask IP). No detectives here and no interest to feel that I have access to information others don’t. I try to manage the post with the least possible intrusion. This may sound naive, but it is the way I am.

    Now back to your points.
    I think the girls in the demo did the right thing considering the amount of negative propaganda the demolition of a shack could have. You would have seen it reflected in a you-tube within an hour and it would have been plastered by the usual suspects on SC and on the Syrian Electronic Army facebook pages all over the place. Heck it may even be used by the AL observers.

    Denying the peaceful character of this revolution has been the strategy of the regime propagandists everywhere from day one long before the FSA was established or even before a single soldier has split. Just go back in tome on SC and you will see ample examples of what I just said. Therefore, violence is used only when necessary and when it leads to protecting the demonstrators or to deal serious blow to the regime’s ability to use violence. Attacking the shack would have been rewarding, but it does not do much for another shack would spring up or it would be replaced by another mukhabarat vendor. The revolution, however, has established a multi-phase complex and tedious process for dealing with major and minor shabeeha who reside in the localities and to my knowledge, they have been incredibly self restrained in that regard.

    I too believe that people opinions are multi-layered. And I found your point regarding the need to be victims of the events an interesting and very thoughtful one. But what would be the motivating deeper need, is it a justification for not taking risk? or is it a rationalization of a group who knows that its lifestyle can not be sustained if the current system of wealth distribution/concentration is challenged?.

    Dear HUSAM
    I repeat here, I do take things in context and not as isolated incidents. I had to use my judgement regarding whether an insult was hurled at you or not and I did not think that there was an insult at you then. The type of arguments made were not dissimilar to those you have made against me and I did not consider your arguments against me insulting. As for carrying my water, heck I have the main posts of an entire full blog to carry water for me if i need water carried, why would I need Aboud or anyone else to do so. I have repeatedly stated that this is not a neutral blog and I am under no obligation to be neutral or aloof or to pretend to be so in order to pass propaganda on either side. I am with the revolution, and after 11 months of vicious blood letting by the worst regime on earth, those who deny the legitimacy of this revolution are by their stand and actions vilified as sinister especially when they are. As for the notion of a group, yes, there is a sense of identification with like minded people and for now, people here fall in the category of supporting the revolution. After the eventual fall of the regime, I may then decide to go neutral with respect to parties that will be established, but I am unlikely even then to tolerate endless side-tracking of topics at hand. Reading posts and comments take time and my time is valuable enough to make me upset if i have to keep reading the same argument made repeatedly or to waste it arguing the semantic of every singe sentence.

  80. Zabadini isn’t the new Banghazi, nor is any part of Syria at present. The FSA’s hold on the areas it has is tenuous at best. Even in Homs and Idlib, it’s a cat and mouse game against the regime. If the regime deployed its tanks against an area in sufficient numbers, the fighters HAVE to slip away.

    Has there ever been a precedent for this kind of war? Yeah, a few. Vietnam. Afghanistan. Iraq. It’s the nature of guerrilla warfare. All that it requires are two things; a dedicated fighting force spread out all over the country, and a central government or occupying power so hated that the civilian populace will bear any burden to shelter and aid those fighters. we have both those conditions in abundance in Syria.

  81. Dear TRUE

    Riyad al-ASAAD is promising that doors of hell will be opened on Betho’s face from now on. I still can’t understand how some of us are still pushing for USELESS political solutions instead of getting behind the FSA.

    In the end, the ultimate solution is political. FSA, or others will not go house to house and office to office eliminating everyone connected to the regime (despite of what some people may wish). There will be many people who will have to give up power not only the “symbols” of the regime, and unless there is a political vision that identifies what to do with them, determines the transition mechanisms and guarantees, and so on, all what will be is merely replacing one face with another, right after major destruction of so many lives and wealth.

  82. OTW
    “In the end, the ultimate solution is political. FSA, or others will not go house to house and office to office eliminating everyone connected to the regime (despite of what some people may wish).”

    Not really. In the end there is no “ultimate solution” and it’s definately not political.
    At the end there is some kind of reality, and from this reality may (or may not) stem a poltical discourse (especially if some kind of status quo needs to be worked out).
    It never works the other way round.

  83. Dear Kubbeh
    The word ultimate solution may not have been the most appropriate word to use in this context. I guess you are right in the sense that a reality will emerge but that reality will only be transitional in the sense that institutions and mechanisms will have to be defined for power attainment, sharing, and/or exchange. Working with that reality itself is a political process, whether democratic, elitists, or populist.

  84. Nusayyif @ January 30, 2012 at 8:20 am

    You are skirting sectarian advocacy very closely. This is your second warning. Next comment of such nature will result in 4 weeks ban.

  85. True

    reading your article brings back an interessting episode. It was about 3 years ago that i wanted to take a flight from Damascus to Aleppo. Since the ticketprice is quite cheap for european standards i choosed to fly Businessclass on this 1 hour or so flight. The flight was heading from Damascus to Aleppo and then onwards to Frankfurt, so they had a sky marshal of their muhabarat on board. As i entered i saw that a beefy guy was sitting on my chair, i could clearly see his gun at his side, he obviously wanted everyone to see what kind of position he holds on board.I gestured to him that he is sitting on my seat, since he made no move to understand english. The stewardess( which seemed to have fallen into her makeupcase ) rushed to me and stated that i would have to sit today in Economy class. When I was back in Damascus i spent my last day and thought that an insight in syrian bueraucracy would be of a merit. So i decided to visit the Syrian Air office where i bought the ticket to ask for the reimbursement of the difference in price between Economy Class and business Class which were 560Pound or at that time about 8 Euro. Dont get me wrong here, i was not concerned about this money, i was just curious how far i could get with this problem.Well of course i was wrong to ask for that in the sales office,i was send to the Main sales office which was 2 blocks away, there i was told to ask for an Mr Ibrahim in the 2nd floor thrird office from the right. I found Mr Ibrahim after 30 min of searching in the whole building, he was having an coffee break with three others. Poor Mr Ibrahim was my companion for the reminder of this adventure. We went to several offices asking for supervisors, and i was able to see first hand how much time those supervisors spent each day with wasta issues. In one office i had to wait about 30 min and i saw in that time two visitors who asked to be free upgraded on a europe flight and one wanted to take some extra kilos on a flight. As i understood the problem was that they could not find my original paper ticket to reimburse me. So we went into one big office in which about 20 women were piling up paper ticket sleeves and entered manually the data into old style computers, they told me that after 3 weeks my paper ticket could be found here, so i should come back then. I insisted that since i travel the next day i will not come back. That said we visited 2 more superiors, an funny thing was for me that the offices got bigger, the desks and also the photos of the president behind their desks. At the end after 3.5 hours i was greeted by the financial manager of the airline( the one who sings the Airbus deals- when they still could do it) and he gave me under the impressive eyes of the giant President an paper which allowed me to get my 8 Euros from the ticket office. The teller could not believe his eyes, obviously he was quite impressed that i got that far. I know that since i was foreign i received special attention, but nonethertheless it showed me how bothersome even small issues are for Syrians, if such small thing like an refund would need the attention and signature of the financial manager of the whole airline.

  86. <em"Syrians can proudly take their place among the list of the world’s greatest revolutions."
    "The worst thing the British ever did to Ghandi was jail him. In Syria,they cut the throat of our Ghandi, Giath Mattar. Different situations need different solutions, and judging from True’s observations, there is no hope whatsoever that the soft, complacent segment of Damascus is ever going to get some fire in its belly. Which is good for us too, because these softies will accept whatever comes in the regime’s place, they will never give the established power any trouble, regardless of the nature of that power. "

    This is embarrassing. That first line, is what I mean by self glorification. Mattar is no Ghandi and it is an insult to Ghandi, not to mention that you are dreaming a big dream.
    What next, are you going to equate your other martyr – Martin Luther King?
    You are not going down in history, except your own history. You are blip on the screen of history. And I say this not out of any ill intent to the project, but rather to dissuade this engagement with fantasy that always seems to lead to feelings of omnipotence and righteousness that lead to the superiority necessary for slaughtering foes.

    If you or the movement were Ghandi- like then maybe the lamb like Damascenes would greet your take over with welcome and at least passivity. but unfortunately they will end up in the cross fire when the city gets stormed and the regular army does battle with the FSA- people will be killed. And maybe some – in fact most likely MOST of the people will be civilians who are just in the way. And the outcome of this so far – is that they will blame both the authorities AND the revolutionaries.
    So, I doubt if your doe like population has it mother, brother, grandfather, or sister killed….they will be so accepting and cooperative after the fact. I think there will be a level of devastation all around.

  87. OTW it seems your 7ee6an is offering some sort of a road-map to others.

    wow yeah. It’s …it’s like he’s an oracle!

  88. @ anniebannie 6:31am

    yes, that video IS pretty cute. but I don’t mind romanticizing solidarity and universal concern… a ok in my book.

  89. Juergen, That’s indeed their attitude and simply will keep doing it till they force out

    @ Z “wow yeah. It’s …it’s like he’s an oracle!”

    Are you trying to be funny here?

  90. “Mattar is no Ghandi and it is an insult to Ghandi”

    He didn’t live as long as Ghandi. He lived as long as Ghandi would have lived had Ghandi been Syrian. Giath Mattar innovated numerous peaceful means of demonstrations in the most hostile environment possible, the same kind of methods you are supposedly in favor of.

    “What next, are you going to equate your other martyr – Martin Luther King?”

    Sarcasm? Pathetic.

    You Zenobia, are preachy, and that’s all. Not once have you ever put forward a single tangible suggestion on how you would overthrow a regime willing to burn 4 children in Latakia because their father was a doctor who treated wounded protesters. All you care about is that the revolution does not touch your precious relatives in Damascus and Aleppo, while you play at revolution from abroad, so you can feel you fit in with your Tunisian and Egyptian friends.

    “You are not going down in history, except your own history. You are blip on the screen of history”

    It’s that feeble “oh God what can one person do” attitude that repressed an entire region for decades. Thankfully, there is a new confidence among Arabs in general, and Syrians in particular. Too bad some are still too defeatists, or cowed, or timid, to share it.

  91. “:@ Z “wow yeah. It’s …it’s like he’s an oracle!”

    Are you trying to be funny here?”

    Yes. Every once in a while Zenobia gets very, very ugly for no reason whatsoever. It’s tiring to keep seeing regularly. Sounds more like a cry for attention.

  92. Are you trying to be funny here?

    no. your back patting each other is tiring.

  93. All you care about is that the revolution does not touch your precious relatives in Damascus and Aleppo, while you play at revolution from abroad, so you can feel you fit in with your Tunisian and Egyptian friends.

    Screw you Aboud. What Egyptian and Tunisian friends? Are you fantasizing you know me?
    And it seem what you care about is glorifying yourself and anyone you decide is the most incredible thing you ever saw… You look stupid doing it.
    I am preachy? Fine. I really don’t care. but you are arrogant and waste your breath making absurd analogies.
    Sarcasm? the pot calling the kettle black again….

    confidence is a completely different thing than arrogance and hubris. Too bad you can’t see this difference.

  94. Russia wants the opposition to hold “indirect” talks in Moscow. With a regime that doesn’t even recognize it. I don’t blame the SNC for turning them down flat. There’s no substance at all in this proposal. Talks for the sake of talks, just like the Israelis keep stringing the Palestinians along.

    But of course, I’m sure there is a segment of the Syrian population who are too timid, too cowed, too lacking in self confidence, who will clutch at this illusion of a dialog to tell themselves that they are actually doing something, anything to avoid the hard, painful sacrifices that these days require.

  95. and we know how much the Palestinians and Hamas have achieved…..in twenty years….

  96. To the contrary, Ghandi will be honoured. To Syrian Giath Mattar is a national hero, so are the tens of thousands dead, maimed and tortured for simply asking for their basic rights. Peaceful demonstrators faced with indiscriminate force!

    A hero is someone we can admire without apology.

    Colonel Harmoush who has given his life to something bigger than oneself. Colonel Harmoush, was the first defected army personnel, the Yousef Alzmeh of our time. Both Syrians heroes.

    “If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.”

  97. “Screw you Aboud”

    Seriously I’m beginning to think your strange mood swings towards me have more to do with your own fantasies. I really tried to be civil, but not any more. Yes, I do know you. I’ve seen numerous samples of your type.

    The real movers and shakers of the world are those who understand that for monumental things to happen, one most go out of one’s comfort zone. Columbus crossing the Atlantic on creaky boats. Washington and Co taking on the world’s preeminent power of the day. Churchill and the British Isles standing alone against the savagery of Hitler. It is not made by appeasement.

    Even the Tunisian president once declared on Al Ajazeera that the Syrian revolution is worth a million Tunisian and Egyptian revolutions. Syrians have earned the open respect and admiration of people the world all over. They are chanting for us in Egypt, Yemen, Gaza, Libya, Tunisia, and the world all over. Syrians have every right to be proud of the magnificent stand they have taken against the world’s most brutal regime. We did not go looking for 6000 deaths, but we will not listen to those who would rather we give up here and now and all go home. Trading freedom for security was never a palatable choice for any free people, and Syrians the world all over have loudly declared that they will no longer make such deals, whereby the devil gets to rule as long as he’ll leave us in our living rooms.

    Well, most Syrians anyway……

  98. I would like my relatives… (who kind of suck – a lot of them anyway)…. to get off their asses. but I know that – seeing gun battles in the street definitely isn’t going to encourage that. In fact it will make it moot, yes, but
    somehow, the gun ho- revolution led by the gun advocates- don’t seem to mind that a population of lambs and fence sitters and being full of delusion and malaise… regardless of their functional neutrality or “zero” factor, are not then subsequently going to be capable of standing up and participating in a representational system in which they had no part in creating or bringing about.
    Or at least, the odds of that occurring in any admirable way are significantly lessened by the fact of the means within which the whole thing was achieved.

  99. Son of Damascus

    Whenever I need a reminder of what the Syrian people really want if given a chance not faced with bullets and bombs, fear and intimidation, hate and despair, I play this song.

  100. “and we know how much the Palestinians and Hamas have achieved…..in twenty years….”

    And do you know why? Because like your fellow angry person, Angry Arab, they had a bad habit of alienating anyone and everyone who was ever inclined to help them. They tried to take over Jordan. They needlessly picked sides in Lebanon. They sided with Iraq and alienated the very people funding them. Their cause is just, but their leadership short sighted.

    Thankfully, Syrian activists have learned from the mistakes of others. Early on, Syrian activists would hold up banners thanking the very news organizations covering those demos. Syrians in Homs chanted for Dar’a. Syrians in Dar’a chanted for Hama. Syrians in Hama chanted for Deir el Zour.

    Aleppan students are at the forefront of their city’s movement, a movement made all the more magnificent in Aleppo because it is happening in the most hostile area in the country. There is no FSA in Aleppo, and yet Aleppans came out to demonstrate at the most dangerous time, when junior is acting like a crazed bull in a China shop. I hate to see someone so lacking in self confidence that even that doesn’t elicit some pride in one’s countrymen.

  101. Zenobia @5:15 pm

    So, you don’t have any tangible alternatives afterall, just wishes?

    THIS is what a suburb of Damascus looks like when the security forces have been expelled from it. If it wasn’t for the FSA, Baba Amr would still be reduced to holding quick demos lasting only 15 minutes at a time and consisting of a few hundred people.

  102. “really tried to be civil, but not any more.”

    being ‘civil’ is telling me what I care about – and mentioning my relatives or what my motivations are …when you know nothing about it. And this is simply a way of attempting to discredit my stand because you don’t agree with it….
    It is a cheap way out…instead of sticking to the issues….. you want to question my personal motivations….

    that is civil?? why should i not tell you to fuck off.

  103. Dear Zenobia,

    Just reread the last words of Giath Mattar, a will he left behind to ….., translated by OTW

    Translation of Ghiath Matar’s Last Will

    Praise Be to Allah, prayers, and peace to our Prophet Muhammad, his family and his companions

    My free and young brothers of the revolution, you who have shared with me the path to freedom during days that were the most beautiful days of my life

    If words of my martyrdom pain you, be comforted in the knowledge that I have now simultaneously attained both happiness and freedom. I wish if I can come back to life so that I can once more carry the banner of justice, dignity, and freedom and to be martyred once again…. Don’t think they have finished me off with the bullet they fired.

    By God, I have triumphed and I have aided my cause every moment I came out to the streets to say no to injustice and tyranny, Yes to freedom, justice and dignity

    And my will to you to remain true to the principle we went out for, and to work toward achieving all the slogans we raised until they become a living reality, to persevere in your courage no matter how they tried to get you of to throw your ranks into disarray, don’t allow them to change you, don’t cheapen my blood, and the blood of the martyrs who gave their souls for a free Syria, don’t sell our sacrifices for any price. Don’t dialog with your executioners but wrest your rights from them with your determination to achieve victory.

    I have seen freedom right at the gates, I’ve seen it very close to me and to you

    Every time we went out, when our chants shook the earth, and instill terror in the hearts of cowards, I sow freedom approaching and victory being achieved … From my world, I now see it approaching nearer to you. Do persevere for victory is but one extra hour of perseverance.

    Do not despair even if the whole world fought you and denied you. Do not stop even if the repelled you and erected barriers and obstacles in your ranks, do not you turn back or they will get you, destroy you, and with you destroy the dream. Do not surrender for by that you sell our precious blood, and all of the efforts we made for a free dignified homeland.

    Remember me when the shouts tower, when the women ululate at the wedding ceremony of martyrdom, and whenever a demand of ours is achieved along the way to freedom. Remember me when you celebrate the fall of the regime and the liberation of our homeland from the abusers. Remember me every time you plant a Jasmine sapling in Syrian soil, every time you lay a brick in a building, and when you see the future in the eyes of children, and remember that I gave my soul and my blood for that moment.

    May God countenance you and bless you with steadfastness, victory will be ours at your hands, O heroes

    Syrian Citizen Ghiath Matar

  104. “are not then subsequently going to be capable of standing up and participating in a representational system in which they had no part in creating or bringing about”

    Yeah? If they had risen up in the first place, the regime would have been gone and wouldn’t have been capable of shelling Hama, Latakia, Homs, Deir el Zour, etc etc etc. The rest of the country are picking up their slack. A person in a boat who doesn’t row is worse than useless, as someone else has to make up for her dead weight.

    So for certain people to whine that the mood and atmosphere of the revolution isn’t to their liking, and use it as an excuse to sit this one out, smacks of nothing less than moral cowardice. A handy excuse to do nothing. No one is demanding that every man,woman and child in Syria go pick up a gun.

    The FSA is there to protect the civil movement, so how DARE certain people stab the FSA in the back and belittle their tremendous efforts and sacrifices. For months they have repeatedly outwitted and outmaneuvered the clumsy regime’s divisions. They have rewritten the book on guerrilla warfare. And if certain people are insulted by that statement of fact, then I can only shudder that there exists people so lacking in self pride and self confidence, and who would rather prefer the all too familiar feelings of impotence, helplessness and ineptitude.

  105. “that is civil?? why should i not tell you to fuck off.”

    Dear heavens madame, language please! There may be children reading, Besho could be surfing this webpage right now.

    N.Z, a deeply moving letter. Mattar’s death was enough to move the American, French and Japanese ambassadors to attend his funeral. Which promptly got hit by gas cannisters by the regime’s shabiha.

    But apparently it wasn’t enough to move the silenced cattle. If Mattar was in Baba Amr, it would have taken a division of junior’s shabiha scum to get anywhere near him.

  106. I am happy to recognize Aleppo’s student’s achievements. Why are you assuming things?

    “And do you know why? Because like your fellow angry person, Angry Arab, they had a bad habit of alienating anyone and everyone who was ever inclined to help them. They tried to take over Jordan. They needlessly picked sides in Lebanon. They sided with Iraq and alienated the very people funding them. Their cause is just, but their leadership short sighted. “

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.
    And despite your attempt to show evidence that the rebel Syrian revs will be different – (conceding that the civilian demonstrations – have done admirable outreach and being quite inclusive) – the FSA is another matter. And my suggestion/belief, which of course remains to be seen- is that it is highly likely that military actions will alienate plenty of people and neighborhoods when they are being “taken over” as you aptly called it.
    and I think you and they are being “short sighted”…

    this is not anger talking, this is my stance.

    As for what I stand by as an alternative – I said yesterday and day before – that I throw my lot with the recommendations of the likes of the Crisis Group analyst, and I re-posted those points for that reason. And then I wrote about four comments reiterating why and my thought about it. How is that not saying what I think or what the alternative is in my mind.
    the ridiculous thing is that – basically I am on your side.
    I just don’t want the escalation of the FSA – or the political efforts to have failed as they seem to. And I am undecided about the issue that OTW is putting out there that the political and the FSA be fused. I thought the Haj Saleh article compelling, but I would like to take more time with it.

    I am not worried about my relatives, if that is what you think…. has nothing to do with that. There is nothing selfish in my stance. I am genuinely worried that military escalation is going to backfire and be disastrous for everyone. My regard is genuinely for everyone. I am not a person who has any enthic regional prejudices in this – quite the opposite because I didn’t grow up there or with these affiliations burned in to me. I could care less. My concern is for the whole, quite honestly.

    my anger at the moment is my fear.

  107. “It is a cheap way out…instead of sticking to the issues….”

    Re-read my posts again…sloooooowly this time so you are better able to comprehend them. I’ve raised numerous issues, and all you’ve done is be a foul mouthed individual.

    Seriously, if you are having a bad day at home, this isn’t the place to vent.

  108. Aboud,
    Who cares about “certain people”….”certain people” who think as you just outlined at 5:28 are not here on this blog.
    We know where they are….they are busy on other blogs and fb…calling the FSA terrorists and foreign agents.
    So, save your breath.
    The point of contention that I have with you or anyone else here…. is much more nuanced than that.
    There is a whole range of finer points I was addressing for three days… that are at issue, and it seems like that can’t even be discussed because it lapses into persons like yourself – citing extreme differences that don’t exist on this blog – anyways- and therefore are not worth discussing…. so to bring them up (such as who is in favor of “stabbing in the back”!! the FSA, by god!!!… is either a complete straw man or an annoying attempt to just circumvent ever acknowledging that there are possible variations and subtler disputes to be engaged… without questioning someone’s entire personal motivation and loyalty to the cause.
    The decent into slogans and back patting and making glorified comparisons and talking about the omnipotence of the FSA… is to me -tangential at best- and at worst… a symptom of the potential folly to come.

  109. Zenobia, your post at 5:36 pm just proves you want to pick fights. We agree on 90% of the issues, but you chose to be rude and ill mannered over an insignificant 10%. I can’t have a discussion with someone who demands total compliance with their own views or otherwise acts in such a disgraceful manner.

    “is that it is highly likely that military actions will alienate plenty of people and neighborhoods when they are being “taken over” as you aptly called it.”

    Ahaaaaa, couldn’t you have just come out and said so without the bad attitude? That is indeed a very apt point for discussion.

    I’ve said it time and again, it is the nature of guerrilla warfare that it REQUIRES a populace willing and able to shelter and support the fighters. The logistics of resupply and movement would make it impossible to do among a hostile populace.

    If the FSA did not have civilian support, how could it time and again and again and again reappear in the areas the regime keeps hitting? How is it we see the largest protests in the areas which the FSA protects? If people felt offended by the FSA’s presence, no one would come out and protest when they were there. The Syrian army would be greeted as liberators everytime they shelled an area, when in fact what happens is that people flee when the Syrian army comes in, and come back to their homes when the army leaves.

    Syrians have dedicated two Fridays to the FSA. They repeatedly hold banners praising the FSA. I’m terribly sorry that Mr James Zobgy cannot currently make a house to house poll of the FSA’s popularity, but baring that, the people’s expressions of support at demonstrations is the closest indicator we have of people’s sentiments.

    See, a civil discussion. That wasn’t so hard, was it?

  110. Seriously, if you are having a bad day at home, this isn’t the place to vent.

    again, breaking the bylaw of the blog….personalizing …. taking pathetic route to bypass anything i say…

    am I talking about what bad bowl movement you had this morning… Aboud???
    no I am not. SO SHUT UP.

  111. AGAIN, making assumptions.
    I never have demanding 110% compliance. Where do you get this.

    I made my points and called what I thought folly, folly. OTW was the one who was confused by what I meant or was referring to in the mention of glorifying… and I pointed it out when I saw it because I find it sort of embarrassing and …well…just read what I said above…i need not repeat myself.

    don’t have a conversation with me then.
    we are done.

  112. “and talking about the omnipotence of the FSA”

    Please reread my post where I explained that the hold the FSA has is tenuous at best. Contrary to what you may assume, people in Syria are not full of hubris and an exaggerated sense of one’s own prowess.

    Right now the menhebakjis are the ones patting each other on the back due to the fact that a division of republican guards re-occupied Douma. We have seen this scenario played out time and again in Homs. The army goes in, the FSA slips out, harasses the army’s checkpoints, the bulk of the army has to redeploy to whack another mole, leaving those behind dangerously exposed. The FSA expels those left, and it takes an even bigger force to go back in, until the commitment of forces becomes too great, like what has happened in Idlib and Homs.

    So yah Homsis, way to go. We rock. We are awesome. Rambo would be lucky to man one of our checkpoints.

  113. Zenobia, your post at 5:36 pm just proves you want to pick fights. We agree on 90% of the issues, but you chose to be rude and ill mannered over an insignificant 10%.

    AGAIN, questioning my motivations….cut it out.

    Sorry, but this 10% as you call it……and I am not even agreeing that it is that…but…for the sake of making the point – is the critical point for me.
    This is my red line, almost, so…. I intend to argue about it- relentlessly, unless I just feel it is hopeless to do so or I change my mind. But I don’t think I will change my mind…as I said to Majed. I am pretty steadfast in my conviction regarding what happens when there are vast numbers of armed individuals involved.. regardless of what good people they start out to be.

  114. “don’t have a conversation with me then.
    we are done.”

    Gosh, and I was so looking forward to seeing how you were ever gonna top the f-word.

  115. people in Syria are not full of hubris and an exaggerated sense of one’s own prowess.

    people in Syria are not full of hubris and an exaggerated sense of one’s own prowess.

    why do you have to be such a bad example then?

  116. So yah Homsis, way to go. We rock. We are awesome. Rambo would be lucky to man one of our checkpoints.

    with this, i meant to copy….

  117. only YOU and KT…. can drive me to the F-Word…

  118. “why do you have to be such a bad example then?”

    My remarks have been clear, I can’t take responsibility for your lack of comprehension. At no point did I say that a single platoon of Homsis could blast their way to Damascus and raise the independence flag over the presidential palace. I take deserved pride in what has been achieved, both through peaceful means and the necessity of arms.

    You were the one who belittled my remarks on Giath Mattar, who had nothing to do with any armed struggle. If you find expressions of Syrian pride offensive, again there is nothing I can do about that, nor am I inclined to accommodate you in any shape, way or form.

  119. “only YOU and KT…. can drive me to the F-Word…”

    You are easily offended. Alot of people were offended by KT, no one else had the bad manners to drop the f-bomb.

  120. by the way, I meant to add that I have no complaint that maybe Ghiath Matar will be a national hero. You know if he deserves it.
    I just said he wasn’t Ghandi. Who was a world wide known historical figure. And to equate them is grandiose.

  121. Aboud, your tactics of personalizing and insinuating things by referencing people without saying their name and then making a snarky equation that ends up being an insult to their character (not just their ideas), are at least as offensive and obnoxious as saying fuck off.

    so, go look in the mirror.

  122. i am done for the moment, so you can put your attention elsewhere.

  123. “are at least as offensive and obnoxious as saying fuck off. ”

    Uh, no it isnt. Seriously it’s not even nearly equivalent.

    “I just said he wasn’t Ghandi”

    Again, Mattar did not live long enough. And do you think I was the one who first started comparing him to Ghandi? People in Damascus itself used to refer to him as the “little Ghandi”. He is to Syria what Ghandi was to India; a man who espoused peaceful and innovative means of protest and maintained them even when all around them was calling for more violent forms of action.

    You see, you don’t seem to comprehend that someone may be the “equivalent” of someone else, which does not mean they are that other person’s “equal”. Just because a football player is described as being his country’s Pele, does not mean that he was as skilled as the real Pele. A distinction obvious to everyone, except for some reason, yourself.

  124. For a marxist(Riad Al Turk trend) ,Georges Sabra is impressively advanced politicaly.

  125. Zenobia,

    I think I can explain what Aboud is angry about. Ghiat was never given a chance to become Ghandi. No Syrian ever was. It is not grandiose to compare him to a potential Ghandi, after all, Ghandi would not have been Ghandi if he would have been assassinated in South Africa. If Mandela would have been murdered early in his life, he would not have become Mandela either. It is a lament, a cry of pain, not a grandiose statement. In fact, who was braver, Ghiat or Ghandi? Clearly Ghiat was taking much greater risks than Ghandi at such an early stage in his life.

  126. Zenobia, just one question…..

    If you were living in Syria, and sleeping inside your house, and wanted somebody to protect you throughout the night….

    Who would you prefer it to be, a foot-soldier of the Leader Bashar, or an FSA fighter from Homs ?

  127. Ghiath and Gandhi, come on….

    One was up against the most enlightenened and progressive of totalitarian empires, one that brought civilization to modern society.

    And the other was up against a regime that…..

  128. Don’t trust Marxists too much, they are part of the problem, they still belong to the 1960s. Georges Sabra can be useful to the revolution only because of his first name, and nothing else. The Arab League, the West, Russia, neither of them trust Marxists, and the regime doesn’t take them seriously.

  129. @ z “no. your back patting each other is tiring.”

    jealous?

  130. Aboud, do you think it was purely a tactical retreat of the FSA from Damascus suburbs ?

    I think they will regroup and recover, but Damascus suburbs is geographically located in such a way it will be difficult to get in arms and ammunition as well as essential supplies, the way Homs and Idlib have managed.

  131. Trye, lets just not reply to Zenobia, from what I’ve read of her last 10 comments, nothing useful to gain from it.

  132. OTW, I think your threshold tolerance level for sectarianism is very very low. I only elaborated the “Plan B” ( setting up an autonomous Coastal enclave) that is doing the rounds in some regime circles.

    Now, what was sectarian about that ?

  133. “Aboud, do you think it was purely a tactical retreat of the FSA from Damascus suburbs ”

    Yes. Classical guerrilla warfare. We’ve seen it time and time again in Homs.

  134. Nusayyif

    Georges Sabra can be useful to the revolution only because of his first name, and nothing else.

    Pathetic statement that can only come from a sectarian pathetic mind. You shame us all. Go find somewhere else to spread you junk. You are out for four weeks. I warned you and you kept at it. Better if you don’t show up again on this site. My threshold for discussing the issue of sectarianism is not low, but for sectarian instigation and bull shit, my threshold is zero tolerance.

  135. some guy in damascus

    i guess you can call the Damascus suburbs “HOMS #2″ . these suburbs are inhabited by syrians from all over syria and are not exclusive to damascenes. although commercial damascus is still on another planet. the security measures are reminder that the regime is targeted.

  136. Absolutely correct OTW. That was the most disgraceful single sentence anyone ever posted here. I didn’t notice it myself, I don’t read all of Nusayyif’s comments.

  137. Reading twitters is dramatic; we had indeed seen nothing yet.

    19:03 The opposition Syrian National Council warned on Monday of a possible “massacre” of hundreds of young men rounded up by security forces in the town of Rankus near Damascus.

  138. Well, the shoe is finally on the other foot. The US has backed democracy in the ME (as they should) and now it seems Russia and China are firmly on the side of the dictators and tyrrants.

    I thought I’d never see the day.

    How long will the AL and the arab states put up with Russia and China?

  139. AP, we are learning who our true friends are.

  140. From Rime Allaf:

    “It’s astounding that in 21st century, the fate of an entire nation can still depend on whims of another state.”

  141. your post is rather weird
    - in Egypt, post revolution elections reached a turnout of 60% [of registered voters I guess], that mean that nearly 1 of every 2 adult Egyptian didn’t bother to vote. In Syria, you should expect similar situation: nearly half people are too busy looking for jobs and working to get food for their family to find time for revolutions. Rare are those that sacrifice time/family/money for ideals. I guess in normal situations we call them asocial crazy people.
    The remarks of your “shami driver” are not against “freedom”: if the new regime faces new rebellion, he would still be against them. It is like when there is a general strike in an industrial society where you would still have half the interviewed express opposition to the strike and the disruption it causes to their daily lives, also where all main media outlets would go crazy against strikers and their “Marxist-oriented” ideology. Do we conclude this half is unconcerned with workers wrights?
    - All those you are quoting, you manage to catch a glimpse of what they said then framed it along your dichotomy: us revolutionary freedom lovers vs them regime’s profiteers killer lovers. But for example, the taxi driver went against Saad Hariri and the Saud. Didn’t that intrigue you a little? after all Hariri is the Makhlouf of Lebanon [or maybe it is the other way around]. Isn’t the Saud hereditary oil dynasties regime another charade like the Syrian regime? You should have asked him why he thinks the demonstrators are pro Hariri. You should also ask yourself why the SNC sends salutation to the Sauds. Of course this is difficult when you apprehend the situation as enlightened man lecturing the populace.
    - the silent half, is not the coward half. It is the people who know that revolution is nice, but that it does not put bread on the table. You should explain to them why they should care. You should explain that the next government will have more transparent management and less corruption but that in exchange it will collect taxes, apply the law rigorously. You should show them how their every day life would ease little y little, step y step. If you want the commune, then do it seriously, not just chant against bashar.

    @Nusayyif it is funny to see someone preaching freedom but still manage to write:
    “just loook at Jordan and how much they have progressed by getting rid of the radicals among the Palestinians”
    I guess Black September was about fighting microbes too.

  142. Dear Crazybear
    Welcome to 7ee6an. Thanks for the excellent and thoughtful challenges. I especially liked this part

    – the silent half, is not the coward half. It is the who know that revolution is nice, but that it does not put bread on the table. You should explain to them why they should care. You should explain that the next government will have more transparent management and less corruption but that in exchange it will collect taxes, apply the law rigorously. You should show them how their every day life would ease little y little, step y step. If you want the commune, then do it seriously, not just chant against bashar.

  143. Pimp my ride, Baba Amr style

    http://twitpic.com/8dp1pp

  144. “You should explain to them why they should care. You should explain that the next government will have more transparent management and less corruption but that in exchange it will collect taxes”

    I should and will explain nothing to a bunch of cowards who still won’t turn against this murderous regime despite the murder of over 6000 of their fellow Syrians. Do you really imagine all they are waiting for is for us to spell out the tax rate on shops larger than 200 square meters or the custom duties that will be imposed on fridges and washing machines?

    Such sheep will take whatever comes after the regime. They have proven themselves nonentities and non participants in any meaningful political activities. All they are good for is to be herded like the cattle they are into Sabe3 Buhairat to wave that little sh*t’s picture for Al Dunya. If I speak with scorn about them, it’s because they have earned such scorn a thousand fold.

    How come the people of Homs,Hama,Latakia,Deir el Zour,Baniyas, Dar’a, the countryside and those brave souls in Aleppo and Damascus, didn’t ask nor needed to have explained to them, the post-Baathist policies on acceptable car emissions or factory waste management. Because some things transcend petty politics or economics; when the state is a murderous vicious machine, there is no excuse whatsoever for supporting it, nor remaining silent in the face of its daily atrocities. Everything else is just the excuses cowards make up to justify their cowardice.

  145. @Aboud Of course, when I said everyday life in the current crisis situation, I meant VAT.
    Can I ask you how many political prisoners were freed by the FSA. Do you see a centralized data base of all persons arrested, killed explaining who saw what, and who did what? Did you see protesters submitting a list of names of arrested asking to look into each case?
    I saw videos of people getting arrested and beaten in Damascus. I want to know who they were, where they are, what are the charges. Demonstrations of this scale are unique opportunities to pressure the security apparatus to release them. This is what I meant of making people see what you do. But few care about that. It is all about cursing Bashar. It is all about classifying people between pro and anti. It is all about promising to kill pro-regime and luring the protesters with a future eldorado [ that shall never happen].

    Second, I point out to you that I get news about organizations of local elected comities, in few places, But I believe they are not enough. On the other hand I also get news like 1/3 of people of Hama [mainly Christians and Alawites] fled the city. I get news of ethnic cleansing in Homs by Al-Farouk salafi brigade. So when you say that you have nothing to explain to those that don’t support the SNC and it’s armed goons, I keep wondering If your policy in future post-coup regime would be to rule based on your whims. After all, your supporters understand you, so let the rest go to hell. Again, If you want this third pillar to move in your favor you would have to do more than waving a flag and delivering sweet talk about freedom. That would be difficult if all you can think of in the current situation is “waste treatment”.

    As for the argument of transitivity: “those that don’t support the protesters approve of the government killings” , it is as ridiculous as saying: “those that oppose the regime are salafite sectarian murderers”.

    I remind you that small opposition groups in Egypt, where active in Egypt for at least a decade, before the revolution started. Although they did [logically] win little in the elections, they can continue to improve so that in 2 decades they can become a leading party.
    In Syria, we need to follow in the same way: one step at a time.These organizations of workers, farmers, lawyers. doctors, students, need to be activated everywhere, It is their performance that define the human rights situation in the future Syria. You have to build those faster than the FSA and Whatever-brigade.

    But I guess, now it is too late. The sectarian war is on.

  146. SYRIAN HAMSTER

    Just posted this on SC in response to the filthy comment by SNK.

    480. Despicable Syria no Kandahar said:

    10080 virgins(or grapes according to Juergen friend)to be distributed over 140 Terrorists just checked into Hell today.

    Thumb up 13 Thumb down 11

    Over the past three days, the paramilitary gangs of the bastard president murdered three families with their children in Homs and Lattakia. And this is your response. Worst, you get 13 jerks to vote thumbs up to you. Well here is my response to all of you band of sectarian criminals.

    بيوتنا الجميلة
    جدرانها البيضاء
    تلونت بحمرة الدماء
    وجثة البريء
    أثارت القميء
    وحسه الدنيء
    بنسمة الحبق
    ***
    أطفالنا الصغار تحرقون
    وبسمة الربيع تقتلون
    وقرد قندهار
    الاجرب الحقير
    يواصل الجعير
    كنشوة البعير
    ساعة الشبق
    ***
    يا ثلة الكراهية
    يا خسة النساء والرجال
    اشرفكم تدوسه نعال
    وناقل الشناعة
    كذوب كل ساعة
    باسته أذاعة
    وحقده بعق
    ****
    يا طغمة الانذال
    التيس تعبدون
    وتيسكم يلوذه الجنون
    وحق من صمد
    نطيح بالاسد
    وننقذ البلد
    لحظة الغسق

  147. The regime as I predicted is trying to regain the upper hand at least psychologically for dictatorship depend on fear and the threat of violence much more than actual violence. They also used terror tactics with a few to intimidate the many. What I saw today on the Aljazeera news at 7 pm was astounding for Douma was still demonstrating and there was a tank that blew up. Also the troops are following tanks going into the main thoroughfares.

    If this offensive results in high casualties or defections the regime will have to sit and talk.

    Russia is offering dialogue in Moscow and the opposition refused and they did the right thing for the Russians are not neutral and the Syrian people will never forgive any dialogue when so much blood has been spilled.

    There will be a military solution to this crisis and it could go either way. If the regime wins it will be so isolated and weakened that it will speed its internal decay. If it loses and I believe it will because the people have decided they will never go back on their demands then all bets are off as to what will happen.

    Freedom is messy and will always carry a better future no matter what.

  148. Dear Crazybear,
    Welcome to 7ee6an.
    You said :”the silent half, is not the coward half. It is the people who know that revolution is nice, but that it does not put bread on the table. You should explain to them why they should care. You should explain that the next government will have more transparent management and less corruption but that in exchange it will collect taxes, apply the law rigorously. You should show them how their every day life would ease little by little, step by step”.
    I think that the silent half is actually people who know and understand that revolutions are usually not nice. They understand that whatever food they have on the table today, may not be available tomorrow. You can’t explain to them why they should care, because they know that there is no guarantee that the next government will have more transparent management and less corruption or will apply the law rigorously for that matter. They realize that their daily lives will be ruined for years to come as all revolutions do. They are neither cowards, nor traitors, they just know history and are unwilling to pay the price when they are not really sure what they are “buying”. These are people whose lives were just fine and dandy and see no reason for the suffering.

  149. Dear Syrian Hamster,
    I expect nothing else for SNK. He is as low as they come.
    How is your family in Halab doing? Mine seems to be fine. They were unable to say anything over the phone. It is so frustrating to talk to them. I have been trying to get them to leave. They are getting old and I am so worried about their safety, but they run a business and have so many families relying on them. My father is refusing to shut down and leave all these families with no source of income.

  150. Observer what you are saying they want to go the way Qaddafi did?
    At the onset of this popular uprising, I was betting that they are not suicidal. I was wrong.
    It is how they cling to power that baffles me!

  151. I admire GEORGE SABRA and all the other Syrians who are working tirelessly to promote and push for the rights of the Syrian people. Those who are putting their lives on hold to lend a hand. I admire those ordinary Syrians who are leaving their houses every day knowing that they might never come back. Realizing the risk of being captured, tortured and killed. I admire the soldiers who are standing up and saying no. Those who are risking their lives because they are refusing to kill their brethren. All these people are my Gandhis, my Martin Luther Kings and simply put my heroes.

  152. SYRIAN HAMSTER

    Dear Sheila
    Thank you for asking. My family in Aleppo is doing fine and like yours, they can not tell much over the phone. And similar to your family, my siblings run business that they can not leave because much and many depend on them.

  153. SYRIAN HAMSTER

    I think everyone is over estimating the silence of the silent majority. People have been helping the revolution in many ways, and many of these people are as silent as they come. I really don’t think that they need to know how vicious and criminal this regime is because they do.

    There is a third group, a group that pretends political moderation and is in fact propagating regime propaganda and aiding the regime’s plans. They demanding dialog and political solutions, but at the same time their follow idols who are most reactionary enablers and apologists for regime’s criminality. These are the fifth column and reactionary people and not much can be done with them except to run from them like plague and never even give them the credence as opposition.

    But explaining some of the fundamental issues wisely suggested by CrazyBear is a must, and it should not be put off. If for no other reason, it will be important for those actively participating in the revolution for causes such as dignity and freedom to understand what comes after the regime is deposed and what is required of them to guard the freedom they have earned and to practice it with the dignity they have so dearly paid for.

  154. Hamster @1:25 am

    The infamous trio at SC are morally bankrupt. The swearing yesterday was high voltage, as one of the three despicable was mentioning that Saidnayah monastery got hit with a mortar. It is well known that Saidnayah is as dear to Christians as it is to Muslims. It is equally visited by both.

    My parents work in the sound and lighting business, they will deal with churches and mosques as “house of God”.

    So as long as the morally bankrupt do not mix their idol with religion, God with politics, they can curse and talk endlessly.

    Churches and mosques were deliberately hit and destroyed in 1982. When one house of warship is hit it does not matter who, where or what.

  155. Son of Damascus

    The Sheraton Hotel, Ommayad Square, and the TV Station is to the back of the two guys putting up the flag. Chapeau bas, it takes some big balls of steel to do that.

  156. “Such sheep will take whatever comes after the regime. They have proven themselves nonentities and non participants in any meaningful political activities. All they are good for is to be herded like the cattle”

    … deluded, arrogant, all or nothing view….

  157. “How come the people of Homs,Hama,Latakia,Deir el Zour,Baniyas, Dar’a, the countryside and those brave souls in Aleppo and Damascus, didn’t ask nor needed to have explained to them?”

    Please answer you own question, I would LOVE to hear your explanation….do tell…

  158. Thanks CrazyBear for speaking some words and counterpoints of SANITY at @12:33 am.

  159. lol. ever since I mentioned the prospect of no balls, it seems that everybody has been designated to have them and steel ones no less. must have been a concern there….

  160. ps. but I agree with you Son of Damas…. the guy in that pic – has them…

  161. http://www.democracynow.org/2012/1/30/syrian_activist_speaks_from_hiding_the

    Razan Zaitouneh, lawyer and human rights activist in Damascus, Syria Speaks from Hiding: The Bloodshed is Continuing Despite International Criticism

  162. “Can I ask you how many political prisoners were freed by the FSA”

    Not just political prisoners, but numerous kidnap victims were released by the FSA in exchange for officers and shabihas the FSA had itself captured. Maybe some here are unaware of this, but the shabiha have resorted to random kidnappings, especially of women, in order to terrorize people.

    In fact, one member of the SNC had his sister kidnapped. The FSA took prisoner a prominent pro-regime lawyer, and exchanged his release for hers. If Zenobia had her way, all those hostages would have ended up dumped on a street, another name on a long list of martyrs.

    “Please answer you own question, I would LOVE to hear your explanation….do tell…”

    I’ve answered that question, again and again and again. I have yet to hear a single tangible or coherent explanation from yourself.

    “… deluded, arrogant, all or nothing view….”

    Your type, Zenobia, if you had been German, would have told herself “Yeah, it’s too bad Hitler is murdering and gassing all those Jews, and has invaded half the world, but hey, whoever wants to overthrow him still hasn’t explained how they are going to peg the Duetchmark to the dollar.”

    “You have to build those faster than the FSA and Whatever-brigade.”

    Whatever-brigade. Tell me something, have you heard of Abdulbasit Saroot? Khalid Abu Salah? Do you imagine they could possibly do their jobs without the protection of the Whatever-brigades? No, they would have to remain in hiding all their lives. If it wasn’t for the “Whatever-brigades”, every single opposition member who ever wanted to speak to the media would now be doing so from Turkey. Just how do people expect a revolution to succeed when all the opposition is in exile?

    “I get news of ethnic cleansing in Homs by Al-Farouk salafi brigade”

    A disgusting way of trying to slip in regime propaganda, under the guise of a moderate opinion. Zenobia’s definition of sanity. The true colors of certain people are slowly being reveled. Kindly provide us with DETAILS of these stories you’ve been hearing, instead of vague Dunya like talking points.

    “So when you say that you have nothing to explain to those that don’t support the SNC and it’s armed goons”

    Armed goons. See people, the brave men who defected from the army, put their own lives and that of their families at risk, are armed goons. Zenobia’s definition of sanity.

    You really disgust me. You, me, Zenobia and everyone else on this forum can disappear anytime we want. The soldiers who defected and defended their neighborhoods do not have that luxury. They are in it to the very end. Such a massive commitment is an extraordinary sacrifice for any individual to make. But to your mentality, they are armed goons.

    “I keep wondering If your policy in future post-coup regime would be to rule based on your whims”

    If after all I’ve written you’re still “wondering”, then nothing I say will make anything clearer to you. You will always view things from the lens of al-Dunya and Syrian TV. I can’t wait for you to slip in more regime propaganda under the guise of “sanity”. Armed goons. I do not need to make those cowards irrelevant, they made themselves by the very nature of their complacency. These are the kind of scum who, if they see someone getting mugged, will quickly cross the other side of the street and rush home. Cowardice is in their nature. History is not made by such cowards. Get it now, Mr Taleb Ibrahim wannabe?

  163. “But explaining some of the fundamental issues wisely suggested by CrazyBear is a must,”

    No, the Deb just wants to slip in some pro regime propaganda under the guise of a “moderate” tone. Just because he isn’t a foaming at the mouth SC type, doesn’t mean he is any less of an apologist for the regime.

  164. “But I guess, now it is too late. The sectarian war is on.”

    Hey guys, how many times have we heard the regime and its lackeys say that a sectarian war is in the making? Five houses were shelled in Karm el Zeytoun, scores of people died, a family of 14 were butchered to death, four children were burnt to death in Latakia, and what was the “sectarian” response? Nothing. Zilch. You want to see a sectarian war, look at Rwanda and Iraq.

    But it suits certain people’s agenda to claim there is already a sectarian war going on. Zenobia’s definition of sanity. Man, I’ve never been happier to be insane according to the definition of certain people.

  165. .” You should explain to them why they should care. You should explain that the next government will have more transparent management and less corruption but that in exchange it will collect taxes, apply the law rigorously. You should show them how their every day life would ease little y little, step y step.”

    I should, I should, I should … No I should do NOTHING!!!
    It’s up to them to come and opt-in otherwise they are losing their grasp in the new Syria. However, as i mentioned earlier this segment would not care who rules and fools, it’s in their blood to be LOOSER!!

  166. Stephen Zunes, professor of Politics and Chair of Mid-Eastern Studies at the University of San Francisco, writing in the Huffington Post;

    “The Syrian pro-democracy struggle has been both an enormous tragedy and a powerful inspiration. Indeed, as someone who has studied mass nonviolent civil insurrections in dozens of countries in recent decades, I know of no people who have demonstrated such courage and tenacity in the face of such savage repression as have the people of Syria these past 10 months”

    And we have every right to feel proud of what we’ve done, even if some would prefer to have our heads permanently bowed to the ground.

  167. Crazybear
    ” You should explain to them why they should care…”
    No. Nobody needs to do any expaining at all. You already know the stakes and you can choose how to act on it.
    Syrians as a whole are now in one of those rare and awkward situations where they have to choose even though they might not want to. Doing nothing is also a choice, with it’s own consequences.

    As far as I see it, a great part of syrian society has chosen to give itself a chance to a better future. This sadly requires a very bloody fight with the current boss. Now, you can choose to join, even quitely. You can choose to back the regime if you believe further repression is for your own benifit. And you can choose to do nothing, prolonging the conflict (down the slopes of civil war?)and having no stake in it’s future outcome.
    At the end of the day your future is your OWN responsibilty to yourself and to those around you.

  168. Dear OTW, sorry to bug you with admin stuff, but are you able to keep the current safe theme and have numbered posts? Failing that, a 24 hr time stamp instead of am/pm (e.g. 23:19, 30 Jan. ’12) to make is quicker to see posts. If it is too much of a hassle son’t worry about it. thanks!

    @AIG January 30, 2012 at 6:32 pm: “Ghandi would not have been Ghandi if he would have been assassinated in South Africa. If Mandela would have been murdered early in his life, he would not have become Mandela either.”

    You took the words right out of my mouth!

    What a shame that Nusayyif makes quite a valid comment at January 30, 2012 at 6:41 pm then follows it with a howler about George Sabra.

    Man o man, Folks…please COUNT TO TEN and have another read of what you wrote before you hit Post Comment, PLEASE! Too late for N/KT now, though. I wonder what re-incarnation we’ll see next.

    @ crazybear:
    During the first 4-5 months of the uprising I can say with confidence that just about every time an opposition figure spoke to the media, in addition to a future with freedom and dignity, he/she spelled out clearly that it is also one that has a multi-party democracy (one person one vote), the (real) rule of law, an independent and honest judiciary and a security apparatus whose responsibility is to keep the nation safe from foreign threat and not to control citizens’ lives and interfere in their livelihoods.

    If you don’t accept the above assertion then I refer you to the address by Burhan Ghalioun to the Syrian People where the very same was enunciated (ok, not the VAT rate or import duties). But if Aboud is right in his suspicions, perhaps Adduniya and its commentators were your preferred source of info as to what Syria would be like after the fall of the AsMaa (Assadist Mafia and Associates)? In that case we can talk until blue in the face and never manage to convince you.

    And do I need to repeat what others already said about the “unconvinced”: those who spent decades adapting themselves to the corrupt regime so they can make a comfortable living? For them no amount of explaining will convince them of the need to change, PERIOD? “It’s not perfect but we’ve got everything set up just the way we like it, so don’t come upsetting the cart and destroying what we’ve worked so hard to achieve.” Mind, they are just as enslaved to the regime but have the means to pay for certain freedoms, and when we come with this new “Rule of Law” nonsense their immediate thought is “Oh no, I’m gonna have to compete in a wide-open level field while now I can just bribe my way. The heck with that!” Unconvinced to the end they will remain, I say.

    Then of course there is the inevitable upheaval after change, which is also feared and hated by everybody but especially this so called ‘silent’ big chunk, because the have so much to lose, just like the regime in a way. I believe the regime’s reaction is the main determinant of the severity of the upheaval. From day one I knew that the AsMaA would rather burn the place down than surrender it, and this is exactly what they are doing. So if you or this class of “unconvinced” are going to blame anyone for the coming chaos don’t look at the oppressed. Those who have the power could have allowed change either by introducing meaningful reforms (too late now) or by doing a Zine-el-haribeen bin Ali, OR choose resist to the very end, Gaddafi-style. Day by day their end is looking more like Gaddafi’s, and they have no one to blame for that but themslves.

  169. Dear MGB
    Military time stamp applied. It is probably more consistent with the increasingly militant attitude around here!!!

  170. So, did anyone catch me on BBC Radio Have Your Say? Did you catch all that damned gunfire and explosions in the background?

  171. And we have every right to feel proud of what we’ve done, even if some would prefer to have our heads permanently bowed to the ground.

    Aboud,

    There is no question about it. What the Syrians have accomplished is nearly a miracle. Bravery and Syria will be two words meaning the same thing. Syria received no help from anyone; with 2 permanent members of the UNSC actually working AGAINST Syria, namely Russia and China. No help from the evil ZIonists and their American lackey, and no help from the resistance heroes from Iran, Lebanon, and the Holy Land.

    The Syrians have taken this fight on their own. This means when Assad is gone, Syria will owe nothing to no one, and Syria will be able to guide her future on her own without any outside influences. A bright future is awaits…

  172. “No help from the evil ZIonists and their American lackey”

    Actually the Americans and the West proved they care more for Syrian lives, than junior and his mafia gang, and his Indian, South African and Russian allies. We are truly discovering who our real friends are.

    When Hamra street reopens, I’m inviting the French and American ambassador for a meal at my favorite place.

  173. The true colours of Zenobia are coming out ! Homsi salafi brigade my ass!

    Go back to objecting how barbaric and backward the Islamic laws of inheritance are

    Leave the FSA alone thank you. Actually who cares about what you think of the FSA

  174. @OGB, Aboud
    The issue is not if al Dunia or propagandist for the regime are acting professionally. the issue is that this taxi Driver probably returns home after a long day, and sees on the regime TV a alawite hanged and sick people taking photos. He sees pro regime, police dripping blood. He is not dumb to think that the regime respects human rights, he knows that torture is used etc. But when he looks at a dude from the FSA, he won’t think “oh I am protected by that guy”. It would be like “great, another cowboy coming to rule over me”.

    Also, I see people getting killed y the regime thugs like dogs. But i also the FSA and SNC’s armed goons to act in the same way, at least in the past 2 weeks. You may not want to believe that, but that is your problem not mine. in all cases the regime propaganda is dangerous because from time to time it will say a truth. From my POV, there is no difference between regime thugs and FSA members: oth impersonate authority that is applied without transparency and discussion. It is easy to say that this one is salafite, that this one is a pro-regime killer. but then you have to defend your case.
    So when I accuse FSA of being salafite, it is because I read reports [some coming from the Local Comities themselves] about their exactions.
    And this talk aout “FSA kidnapped lawyer A to free political detainee B” is rather unacceptable. The FSA need to provide why the detainee is a political detainee, as well as why the lawyer A was targeted. And even if they did, it would still be insane to start solve our issues this way. I wonder, if I did not like the ruling of a judge in future Syria, can I go kidnap the daughter of his cousin? Of course in the same way, the regime need to explain every arrest he makes.

    It is always incumbent to the authority to justify its actions and accept discussion in an open way. If you don’t impose this mentality on the ground, the future regime will have the same problems. For example, Saddam was hanged, but last week I read how prisoners are kept in jail [despite court order] till he pays a bribe. In Egypt, thousands where brought to military tribunals after the resignation of Mubarak. it is not that revolutions are useless, it is that uprisings become a revolution when they impose this mentality on those that represent authority.
    I am no moderate. I understand that when something is killing you, you should rise and fight Back. But that does not mean I support whatever,

    “those who spent decades adapting themselves to the corrupt regime so they can make a comfortable living? ”
    so the vast majority of the Syrians remained silent for decades because the regime was providing “comfortable living”. Does being a public employee qualify as “comfortable”?
    is it really true that all this security apparatus, no one is interested in solving some issue? Do we need to fire hundreds of thousands of people after the revolution? [like the debaathification in Iraq].

    @MGB
    I need also to explain the issue about taxes, because I responded sarcastically about VAT.
    Most syrians acknowledge that public money goes into some pockets. and That the regime provides welfare and facilities in very unequal way[ one gets 2 cars at his disposal, and one gets food stamps]. So in the private sector, citizens evade taxes all the time. Big industrials do the same. Now this has a counterpart: since the government looses a lot of potential income, it’s employee are underpaid. Thus the need for bribery. Funny thing about bribery is that it’s pyramidal: one’s bribe is of the same order of the sum of all bribes of his underlings.
    So industrials [or what one called Aarsaat], are not enjoying the partnership with rami makhlouf, But the system is pushed that way.
    So if a FSA soldiers asks these “3arsaat” for funds, it is not just blackmail, they want to become the new partners in corruption. That is why when I hear SNC members explaining how they are going to bring an end to this corrupt regime, i know they are lying, as was bashar lying 10years ago went he wanted to end corruption [and bring the internet].
    If I want to be realistic, I would say that a generation is needed to turn this mentality around. if those from the SNC/FSA are the one that starts such change, they would have behaved differently.

  175. FSA is the key, I wonder how many times it would be mentioned in the UNSC session today.
    For those who decided to forget all the misery caused by the regime and just wanted to attack the FSA please shut the hell up!!!

  176. With veto or no veto the Syrian revolution after the UNSC meeting will enter a new era. An era where we will witness high ranking officers defecting in abundance and tsunamis of weapons heading into Syria. Not sure how soon but i urge Betho and his cronies for that matter to get their booking to Tehran on the Persian airlines confirmed ASAP!

  177. “and sees on the regime TV a alawite hanged and sick people taking photos”

    Please provide SPECIFIC cases.You make it sound like it’s an everyday event.

    “he won’t think “oh I am protected by that guy””

    Most of the country would of course disagree. I feel alot safer in Homs when I go through an FSA checkpoint than I do an army one.

    “For example, Saddam was hanged, but last week I read how prisoners are kept in jail [despite court order] till he pays a bribe.”

    I cannot be responsible for whatever crap is going on in Iraq.

    “That is why when I hear SNC members explaining how they are going to bring an end to this corrupt regime, i know they are lying”

    I also cannot be responsible for the fact that you’re blaming the SNC for something it hasn’t even done yet.

    “So when I accuse FSA of being salafite, it is because I read reports [some coming from the Local Comities themselves] about their exactions.”

    I haven’t seen a single such report. I’ve seen the FSA close up, they are not hard line religious dudes.

    “And this talk aout “FSA kidnapped lawyer A to free political detainee B” is rather unacceptable”

    OK.

  178. I am dismayed at the accusations being leveled at CrazyBear. The main point CrazyBear has raised is commonly discussed by some of the most revolution committed people I have met within the external opposition and some of whom did exactly what True did in risking a trip to Syria where they have actually participated in demonstrations under the line of fire. I have no reason to suspect these people of carrying water for the regime and I find it disheartening that we now rush into accusations based on disagreements. Please take it easy, and argue your point without leveling accusations.

    I am also very concerned, and it seems that MGB is as well, at the ongoing personal battles. It has gone far enough and both sides (Aboud and Zenobia, with others needlessly chiming in ) are to blame for being rigid, at least in their personal view of each others and in allowing this personal view to dominate their exchanges. None of us here is a real representative of a majority of the revolutionaries, and concerns about our personal attitudes and convictions should in no way be projected beyond the person displaying whatever attitude be it compromising, rigid, or arrogant and even then, please avoid personalizing.

    With great pain, i will reiterate MGB’s comment

    Man o man, Folks…please COUNT TO TEN and have another read of what you wrote before you hit Post Comment, PLEASE! Too late for N/KT now, though. I wonder what re-incarnation we’ll see next.

  179. ““and sees on the regime TV a alawite hanged and sick people taking photos”

    You’re not talking AGAIN about the Egyptian who was hanged in ketermaya/Lebanon, are ya?

  180. “You’re not talking AGAIN about the Egyptian who was hanged in ketermaya/Lebanon, are ya?”

    Or maybe Mu’allem’s infamous horror movies.

  181. “It is probably more consistent with the increasingly militant attitude around here”

    Agreed!

    It’s the sad events we’re going through everyday and to the fact that too much testosterone on 7ee6an :)

  182. Dear Jarthouma
    What true color blue, orange, red, green or a shade of all?…..

    If we leave the FSA without criticism, mainly from within the revolution as Yassin Haj Saleh argued, then we are likely to end up with a situation that make us accept whatever any element claiming to work under the banner of FSA does. Criticism, especially from within, protects FSA and gives it the benefit of the doubt, as long as one does not equate it with the regime. Yet, there has been several incidents I heard of in which thugs have claimed to be FSA and behaved like gangsters.

  183. I can not stand hearing this conspirancy thing over and over again. How dull is this regime? The arab spring was nopt forseen by any think tank or presidential adviosors, nor did the secret service community in the west had much insight. The western community in my opinion has lived good with those tyrants in charge, and Assad was one of those we helped to stay in power. The new stand of Europe and the US towards Syria and the regime is due to the brave rise of the Syrians.

    I hear that in syrian schools they teach the children that all powers wanted to have Syria for its unique position and all want to have a great leader like Hafez Al Assad. I bet if you hear that long enough you believe it. I recall an hourlong conversation i had in Latakia with a family, all of them baathists. They invited me to their “chalet” which was a bunkerstyle concrete 2 room apartment at the coast. The whole concrete palace was filled with loyal baathists. The 18 year old son was secretary of the party in his area, and truly a believer of the party and the president. He blamed everything on Israel and the US, it was a fruitless discussion. Those in favor and on the sunny side of baath life will definatly fight, because they would loose not only their privlegdes but also years of their live become meaningless.

  184. Dear CrazyBear
    I believe that you are correct, partially, in many of the questions you raise. Yet, I don’t think that it is as valid to equate FSA with regime forces.

    However, and interesting point you raised was that the real danger in regime’s propaganda is in that it introduces and element of truth every once in a while. I agree to that and it is part of the sinister tactic aiming at confusing reality from regime myths and making equivalencies between the two. But it is there where we have to exercise our moral judgement as well as our knowledge of the lies of the regime’s propaganda before we give it any credibility.

    In my own family, there is a small group that continues to believe regime propaganda. This group, after nearly eleven months of brutal murders will not even consider the uprising or even demonstration as being legitimate. With or without FSA they have been from day one making preposterous claims about thuggish protesters even foul mouthing people like Ghyath Matar. I have no interest in converting these people into anything because I know that they have locked themselves into a mental state that will remain even after the success of the revolution, no matter what shape and form the next government take.

    On the other hand, and in your second post, you have mentioned the need to establish a political foundation for the revolution as happened in Egypt. I agree with that, and a year ago, I had thought that the most ideal situation would have been to start small scale flying demonstrations and to develop mechanisms to challenge the regime’s hold on professional and labor unions and syndicates as well as to use the law itself in order to increase the margin of freedom in anticipation of the fraudulent 2013 referendum on the foolish president whence a full scale public movement such as the one which brought Pinochet down could be coordinated then that will throw the thug out. Alas, it seems that I was too romantic and have underestimated the brutality and banality of evil. All it took was a small demo by children in Daraa to get the ball rolling. A regime such as that will never allow political challenge to materialize in any civil manner and the only way forward would be to challenge on all fronts and to eventually break its back.

    In the meantime, I urge you to diversify the sources of your information. A couple of weeks a go i posted about the establishment of an independent writers’ guild, we now have independent artists guild. Ethical Lawyers in several cities are forming independent underground committees, so are engineers, doctors, and more recently university professors. These will soon materialize into following the model of the writers’ guild and will form independent unions. This of course notwithstanding the severe impediments put by the regime’s mukhabarat complete control of the official unions who also control the multitudes of saving and pension funds, along with control of professional practices and licensing.

  185. Dear Crazybear,
    You raise very important points. The most important of which, in my opinion, is the fact that the Syrian society has a lot of work to do to shift its culture or lack thereof. People tend to forget that the current exacerbated culture of corruption and lack of morals, was not created by the Assads, rather cemented and expanded by them. I agree with you. We do need at least a generation to change that.
    I understand your point of view and that of Zenobia regarding the revolution and the call to arms; however, I disagree with both of you. My disagreement does not stem from theoretical conviction, because on a theoretical level I am 100% with you, but it is derived from the harsh realities on the ground. Please remember that this revolution started as a peaceful revolution and was pushed to where it is now. I am trying to figure out where people were given any choice regarding any of this and can find none.
    With your analysis of the Syrian society and your understanding of how damaged it is, I can not fathom how you expect from these people what you would expect from the Swedes. Not withstanding the brutality of the regime, I am also seeing horrible things happening from the revolution side, but with the understanding of our society, I am actually shocked at the level of self restraint.
    You are demanding that the FSA declare their motives upon kidnapping someone, my question to you is: how on earth do you expect them to do so? Where is their media outlet? How can they communicate with all of us clearly and more importantly, freely? For an intellectual like you to demand the same level from both the regime and the FSA is beyond my comprehension. You have a side that has everything: money, food, equipment, media, power and a side that has nothing but its strong will and conviction. They can never be put on the same footings nor required to have the same standards.
    I was wondering today how Gandhi would have faired had he spend a few weeks in a Mukhabarat branch under “investigation”. How Martin Luther King or Mandela would have survived the dungeons of the Syrian prisons. These are all great people that did great things working with what they were dealt. They had choices and they made the choice that was not necessarily the easiest, but the best for their people. I do not see the Syrian people having the luxury nor the ability to choose. With what they have, they are left with only one way to go. That way also happens to be a one Way Street, so they don’t even have the choice to go back.

  186. OTW,

    Constructive criticism is ok, but repeat Assad propaganda is another. I haven’t heard of this Salafi brigade. Have you ?

  187. Dear Jarthouma
    You may know the ground well, and you and others may be cognizant that giving strongly “Islamic” names to brigades may be as simple as demonstration of faith or of yearining to revive what many consider the most glorious moments of Arab history, and that such brigades and groups are not necessarily salafi or radical. Yet, not everyone have that outlook. There is an undeniable, and one may even argue logical, strong religious symbolism, especially in the initiation (announcement of defection) rituals of some FSA brigades. There is also a possibility of infiltrating the ranks of local brigades, as I have described earlier and as Peter Haling alluded to, by civilian elements with possible salafi under-current. This is something the FSA should guard against when accepting civilians into their ranks. It is not easy given the loose structure of FSA so far.

    There was, however, a regime-made clip about a pure salafi brigade, which was widely broadcast on regime channels and by those propagandists on various blogs and facebook. I remember seeing it and it is not only ridiculous but it also reminded me of Sci-Fi movies and series from the 60s and 70′s where you could see the zipper on the back of the Alien’s suite.

  188. @True and Aboud
    “You’re not talking AGAIN about the Egyptian who was hanged in ketermaya/Lebanon, are ya?”
    of course not
    I mainly look at syriatruth, which is anti-regime and anti-FSA. so you can go to their website, and enjoy the latest hangings.
    I noticed an acceleration of their reporting onexactions by the FSA during the past 2 weeks. So I am not amused by your reference to Muallem nor the Egyptian in Lebanon.
    Learning that one of the first martyr in Aleppo was probably killed by his cousins who are active shabiha is a pretty disturbing news for me.

    @Jarthouma
    A FSA leader appeared in ParisMatch few weeks ago with Iranians claimed to e Revolutionary Guards [although one looked too fat to see his toes] . lately a video appeared with Iranians dressed in lack claiming they have been sent to kill kids and women.
    Then one opposition site raises questions: since the Iranians on the photo looked like the Iranians in lack. Now I am puzzled. And since I don’t trust armed men, I believe that the FSA kidnapped these Iranians and dressed them later in black for the sake of a propaganda film that confirms the SNC claims about Iranian revolutionary guards looming Syria.
    Of course if media outlets where doing their job, they would have visited their families and investigated whether or not they were really electrical engineers. But no one cares about what is going on.
    There is a story telling, and when people like you are faced with events that does not fit, they brush them away and consider them propaganda from the other side.
    I neither follow the FSA and recite the SNC talking points, neither I am a Shaiha. I believe Syrians have better choices.

    @OFF THE WALL
    I saw a video on ALJadeedTV. Didn;t know it was fabricated.
    But I saw several times on Syriatruth news of attacks by AlFarouq that were justified by some fatwa. I didn’t investigate further, since I did remember that when a Damascus student gunned down his comrades during an exam on pure sectarian grounds, the FSA applauded,

  189. Dear CrazyBear
    Much of what the syrian TV and its affiliates (including Syriatruth), broadcast as the result of the FSA is in fact a result of the regime’s own forces. Many of the attacks can only occur by someone equipped with artillery, which is not available to the lightly armed FSA. I would take taking anything published by syriatruth with a mountain of salt as I would AlJadeedTV.

    I personally do not recall anyone within the sane groups within the revolution applauding the incident in the University. I have on the other hand read many of my own friends and others writing and lamenting the results of the regime’ using university students as thugs (which was very clear in the school of law in Damascus) as well as now at the University of Aleppo, including a few Baathist professors with no conscious or claim to academic integrity. Syriatruth site in my own opinion is a clear example of fifth column journalism. Under the guise of being opposition and opposition to the opposition they have reflected the worst reactionary elements of the domesticated opposition, i mean the one that spends far more time repeating and feeding regime propaganda than criticizing regime’s own brutality, if ever. Their credibility equals or is below that of openly regime propaganda outlets.

    I really believe that you may want to consider diversifying your sources of information.

  190. “since I did remember that when a Damascus student gunned down his comrades during an exam on pure sectarian grounds, the FSA applauded,”

    Are you sure it was the FSA who “applauded”? Did praise for the act come from the FSA’s spokesperson, or just from some Facebook page that reports anything remotely to do with the FSA? Such pages have several admins each, most of whom have never met each other in real life.

    Regarding the Iranians, all we have is speculation. Although I do wonder what Iranian is mad enough to make a “pilgrimage” to Syria at a time like this. I don’t care if they offered to make me Saint Aboud, I’m not going on a pilgrimage to anyplace in Syria, *especially* by land.

    Also, just because someone studied as an electrical engineer, does not preclude the possibility that they work with computers, programming, code, hacking, electronic surveillance, etc etc.

    “Learning that one of the first martyr in Aleppo was probably killed by his cousins who are active shabiha is a pretty disturbing news for me.”

    Extremely disturbing indeed. God rest his soul.

    “But I saw several times on Syriatruth news of attacks by AlFarouq that were justified by some fatwa”

    Um, sorry but you’ve confused the heck out of me. You mean a sheikh actually sat about and issued a fatwa saying that they could attack such and such checkpoint? Or the sheikh proclaimed a fatwa after the fact? Trust me, no one in Homs is waiting for any fatwas to do what must be done.

  191. Thanks, OTW.

    Hey y’all, please let’s not ask or order anyone to shut up, I beg you!, even if they are suspected of pushing the regime’s narrative. You can just as easily reject what you read by saying: “sorry but I cannot/don’t accept the regime’s lies as truth, though it may sprinkle an occasional true thing.”

    Interview with Russian FM Lavrov on the Australian national broadcaster ABC:
    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3420041.htm
    Sometimes videos of programs are blocked to people outside Australia, in which case you can read the transcript. I still think Russia will veto the UNSC resolution. If voting is done in such a way where Russia votes before China and does use its veto, I’m sure China will change its vote from abstention to veto. Or maybe they’ll consult beforehand and coordinate their votes?

    @crazybear: pls. note and be clear on this: I used the conditional “if Aboud was right and maybe Adduniya was your source of information to form your views, then nothing we say is going to sway you”, and though it is an assumption, it is in no way a dig or an accusation.

    Sheila has already expressed above what I want to say in reply to equating the oppressor with the victims and I reiterate the narrow range of choices available to the opposition. And no, I absolutely do not propose an Iraqi-style de-Baathification of the the whole public service or the armed services, though you will accept that inevitably many will lose their jobs due to rationalization of operations and that the high level diehard Baathists/Assadists will have to be shown the door, even tried and sent to their aunt’s house for a while. Low level government workers were not the people I was talking about anyway; I was referring to the upper and middle classes that have managed to make an accommodation with the system, even small businessmen/shopkeepers like the guy in the article. There is no way he is being left alone to do his thing by the “Amn” for free, it just does not happen in Syria. So he’s got his situation all worked out and it is difficult to blame him for making the best of a bad situation, but it still does not make it right to continue the status quo nor does upsetting it become evil.

    I happen to have some knowledge of the Indonesian situation where more than 10 years after they got rid of their dictatorship (Suharto’s, but unfortunately still stuck with the army’s huge influence on politics and society) corruption remains one of the most intractable problems on all levels of Indonesian society, so I have no illusions about Syria being able to change things overnight. But at least people will not be afraid to exercise their right to complain if they see or experience corruption or anything else they think is improper. Yes, it might take a generation or even two to become Sweden or New Zealand, but that will be up to us and it will be our collective responsibility to make it happen faster.

  192. Son of Damascus

    Aboud,

    I don’t want to come off as an Iranian apologist (I’m really not), but to say that no one is visiting or willing to visit a holy shrine during this period in Syria is wrong in my opinion. If we can continue using the Iranian Shia as an example even after the numerous suicide bombing targeting Shia sites in Iraq that did not deter them from making their pilgrimage there. The same can be said of the Turkish pilgrims that went through Syria during Hajj on their way to and from Mecca.

    You and I are not religious, so for us it makes no sense to go to a religious place where we might get killed. For a religious person they see it differently, because to them the harder the trip the bigger the reward in the after life.

    This is true in many (if not all) religions.

  193. “I mainly look at syriatruth, which is anti-regime and anti-FSA. so you can go to their website, and enjoy the latest hangings.”

    This syriatruth website is a mystery on its own, I understand whoever runs this website (I think his name is Nizar Nayoof) claims to be the “real” opposition but i highly doubt his stand against FSA if he was given a seat in SNC.

    ““since I did remember that when a Damascus student gunned down his comrades during an exam on pure sectarian grounds, the FSA applauded,”

    It’s sad to come across such incidents but you need to put yourself in the murderer’s shoes in order to understand why did he gun down his comrade. Basically this late student Kudor Khazem (his dad an officer in the republican guards) was the head of shabiha in that department “medical engineering”, he used to humiliate and report his “comrades” to security services, and more a week before the incident he actually pulled a gun and ordered the murderer to go on his knees so he could put his foot on his neck!!! Other students rushed to the dean’s office to report the incident and his attitude was like “just kids having a fight, keep me out of it” after this incident Kudor reported his “comrade” to the security where he was dragged for a week with all sorts of “special” treatment. After he was released and on the day of a math test for medical engineering, he got in 4 minutes late and head directly to Kudor and a bullet gone through his face, the murderer managed to run away and now he’s on the most wanted list.

    Killing is wrong and unjustifiable but it’s always good to get the other narration at least to understand the big picture.

  194. Gentlemen,
    The first martyr in Aleppo was not killed by his cousins who are Shabiha. He was killed by Shabiha and he has a well known doctor cousin (a coroner) who happens to be a Shabih, but his cousin did not literally kill him himself. His cousin actually helped the father of the martyr make the tough decision to allow his son to be taken to the coroner’s office before burial.

  195. Watch Aljazeera and have a laugh!!!

    Sheila, ….!!!

  196. I’m back.
    And holey moley, did that just happen on the Opposing View?

  197. here who have missed it:

    quite pathetic how the pro regime thugs are celebrating this shabiha fighting for Besho…

  198. Hillary’s speech at the UNSC is really good.

  199. hazrid
    you have been and are greatly missed. Welcome back

  200. True
    when it comes to news and details from aleppo, my advise is to TRUST Sheila.

  201. @MGB:
    ” pls. note and be clear on this: I used the conditional “if Aboud was right and maybe Adduniya was your source of information to form your views, then nothing we say is going to sway you”, and though it is an assumption, it is in no way a dig or an accusation.”
    “a has already expressed above what I want to say in reply to equating the oppressor with the victims and I reiterate the narrow range of choices available to the opposition.”

    I am not equating… The responsibility of the regime comes first. but that does not mean that all what is happening in Syria is along the lines written by the SNC.
    Towards What do you want to sway me?
    Particular case are not representative of the whole situations, ut we are looking for icons for every day. So at some point one will have to discuss these cases. It is disgusting, but since they are hammered everywhere, we are bound to discuss them.

    But If we discuss a particular case, we end on an argument on the sources. It is right to express doubt of regime outlets, and dismiss their work systematically. but then why not apply the same standards with the Local Comities? You place me in an awkward situation.
    It is nice to enjoy chants and video of demonstrations, But Youtube has its limits. And this cluster of Facebook pages and blogs leads nowhere. Cartoons are funny, but cartoons are used to illustrate an editorial line inside a newspaper. Where is this newspaper? It is easy to criticize Syriatruth because it is against FSA or because it quotes regime outlets. It is another to have a local outlet that serves you facts.

    the people of the FSA are not going to go away when the regime falls. So you have to set the score right now. For now the FSA are behaving like phallangists: they kill then they go either with lengthy justifications either they accuse the other side.
    For example the French journalist [I don't care particularly about him , specially since thousands of Syrians died], immediately the FSA accused the regime of killing its supporters in order to scare them. But then it appeared in the Figaro that this was a lie, and that the regime narrative was true. You don;t like this conclusion: you are right. You are also right to point endless cases of arrest and killings that have spread across syria tat are done y the regime. But the honest principled response for a story that made headlines for 48h, should have been a insistence that the FSA is to protect people not to settle scores with unarmed protesters with RPG. nor to slaughter those that are not kissing their buts. It is not about Dunia or no Dunia. It is about how the FSA controls its members and faces reality.

    PS the video of AlJadeed with a lousy Alqaida Salafi group is here. FSA or not FSA, I don’t care. .

    @sheila
    thx for the correction,

  202. how do we add a video link without showing a full preview in the post?

  203. Dear CrazyBear
    Don’t worry about showing the preview, we are ok with that as ling as it is not objectionable. If you think that it may be objectionable or violent, i think including it in square brackets will take care of that. Try that and if it needs fixing, I can do so.

    The way I view Nizar Nayouf is that he has never failed to come up with the news that supports the regime’s story at a crucial point when the regime needed support or diversion of real embarrassing situation. He always came through even when his claims turned out to be false or denied later by those he claimed to have witnessed what he described as have happened. I personally, do not trust him, based on record.

  204. Juergen

    “here who have missed it:”

    It seems that the supporters of the murderous Syrian regime are losing it big time.

  205. I do trust Sheila with great deal of respect!

    It does NOT look good at all, seems like those Russians moth….kers are planing to throw their veto again :( I hope I’m mistaken.

  206. “It is nice to enjoy chants and video of demonstrations, But Youtube has its limits. And this cluster of Facebook pages and blogs leads nowhere”

    Hey, it’s the regime that is paranoid about letting in an independent press without a platoon of “minders” shadowing them. Every single reporter who went into Syria without these minders confirmed what the LCC have been saying for months.

    “they kill then they go either with lengthy justifications either they accuse the other side.”

    It’s called answering your opponent’s misinformation and slurs. Again, wouldn’t be needed if there was an independent press in Syria, something the regime considers to be worse than a full scale NATO invasion.

    “But then it appeared in the Figaro that this was a lie, and that the regime narrative was true”

    Did you read the article in question? An anonymous source who told another anonymous source something. Such sloppy reporting wouldn’t have made it into a high school newspaper. Also, the FSA does not have heavy artillery. Figaro’s conclusions are disputed by every single journalist who was there.

    “Dutch Reporter: Regime set up us”

    http://www.dutchnews.nl/features/2012/01/syrian_regime_set_us_up_says_p.php

    “. nor to slaughter those that are not kissing their buts”

    Kindly name me one instance when the FSA killed someone for not “kissing its butt”. Possibly you are confusing the FSA with the shabiha scum sh*ts.

    I know OTW asked us to count to ten, but I find these repeated, general vague statements to be quite tiresome.

  207. Dear CrazyBear,
    First, I do have to disagree, rather strongly about your assessment of the clip you posted. I do care a great deal if it is Alqaida or FSA, because muddying the two is not correct nor intellectually honest and it only serves the regime. The two are not equal. There is not even a shred of evidence that this group has made it into action in Syria, or yet a shred of evidence other than a TV station, strongly in support of the criminal regime in Syria broadcasting a suspect tape in order to increase sectarian fear and justify to the west that the Mafia regime of Assad is out there to protect the western interest from Alqaida.

    And even if the tape is correct. Strengthening, FSA, under a coherent civilian coordination with the people on the ground. is the real protection against groups such as the one being used as a scarecrow. The stronger and more coherent FSA is and the more capable it is in stopping the criminal regime and its goon from inciting sectarian violence or in punishing those within its own rank or using its name for such purpose, the less chances groups like Alqaida will be able to work on the ground.

    Common sense tells us that Jihadist groups have been sitting like vultures waiting for power vacuum to move in. I have stated that even before March 15, 2011. But to start hyperventilating and freezing in fear of them will only expand such vacuum and allow them the chance to move in for the kill. It is a false premise to believe that the Syrian regime is the one to stop them for it is the regime that has been their bed fellow throughout the sectarian massacres of Iraq, and once it falls, the victims of these massacres will realize that.I think that a genuine brave decision to divorce fear and join the Syrian people in their revolution is the right decision morally, politically, and even economically over the long run.

  208. Dear Crazybear,
    I am seriously amazed at your logic. You are expecting a group, the FSA that was formed haphazardly and baptized by fire to act like the Swiss army.
    The FSA, according to many insiders and outsiders, is a loosely connected group of defected soldiers. For your information, most of these soldiers are conscripts, therefore more aptly described as kids. Most officers are just a little older than this group. Only a few are professional army personnel. These “kids” upon making their decision not to follow orders to kill, are left to fend for themselves. They can not go back home, because it means certain death.
    These groups have no training on how to handle the situation they were thrown into; they have no effective leadership, mainly because of the lack of communication channels; and they consist of people from all walks of life. Some of them may be pure evil and some may commit crimes and others may just make stupid mistakes, but to hold a magnifying glass to some mistakes and crimes committed by a few and conclude that the whole FSA is like the regime force is absurd, especially when no one really knows for real who is behind these acts. You have to remember that in addition to the FSA, you have all these criminal groups that are taking advantage of the chaos plus the concerted effort of the regime to fabricate lies to undermine the credibility of the opposition. If the regime had nothing to hide, it would have allowed the free press to come into Syria and “expose” the crimes of these groups. Since they will not allow the free press, they have put themselves in a situation where no one will believe anything they say even when it is true. They are literally the boy who cried wolf. At this point, there is only one party that can be blamed for what is happening in Syria and that is the Syrian regime.

  209. Crazy Duub!

    Once you started to churn out regime propaganda, I felt it necessary to remove the fluff from my belly button . Far more entertaining!

    First the Salafi Jihadi Homsi Hamwi Qatari Blackwater FSA brigade and now we have Crazy Duub.

    Look go back to crazy weather da vinci codes by Alarabiya. Man, at least I get a laugh

  210. Comment removed by OTW for inappropriate personal attack on another poster.
    Please feel free to re-post without the last two lines of the original comment.

  211. Time to Step In

    Dear Jarthouma
    Please call people with the name they have selected for themselves. This is unacceptable. This also applies to everyone who has done the same thing. I do not approve of my guests including yourself, being treated this way.

    Now even if CrazyBear is a supporter of the regime, then use the opportunity and address his comments rationally in an environment that hopefully will not allow either one of you to degenerate into shouting matches or belittling each others. CrazyBear is presenting opinion, and while I may not be neutral to his opinion, he is presenting it as his own and not relying on cut and pastes.

    Now, here is the game of politics. If CrazyBear is the political minority, then he will get my full protection to comment and to be responded to without hyperbole or insults whether I agree with his comments or not. It is the essence of democracy. Here in the virtual world, we can do what we are dreaming of doing in reality in Syria. And this is part of practicing my non neutral stance against the regime and its practices.

    Furthermore, since Aboud brought it up (counting to 10) I must say that I had skipped many of the exchanges, especially those that degenerate into personal insults. But as I went through them again, I am surprised at my self for not confronting two people I dearly care about, Aboud and Zenobia. And I do have to agree with Zenobia that Aboud tends to personalize things. Talking about mood swings and problems at home is not, at least in my opinion, part of “great debating skills” Aboud boasts about. to the contrary it is bad debating skill. I also hope that Zenobia was more respectful of the feelings of her fellow Syrians, including myself, who do see the demonstrators as doing something truly heroic and I fully disagree with her assessment that describing Ghyath Matar as Syria’s Little Gandhi is an insult to Gandhi, to the contrary, it re-affirms Gandhi place in our conscious as a universal model for peaceful resistance and demonstrates the respect we have for the peaceful elements of the revolution. Zenobia’s real point, however has been overlooked in the attempts of those who objected to her to provide smart-sounding answers. And it is a point that I do also agree with, which states that there is a great risk with militarization of the revolution and that risk is well acknowledged even by Yassin Haj Saleh. What motivates her is irrelevant and even if it was to protect her relatives, it would be a legitimate motive. But if anyone cares to dig deeper, it would appear that her real motive is not to protect them only, but also to find ways to draw them to join her into the revolution, it is in this case not only legitimate but laudable. motive. Talking about such motive in cynical manner is, once more, not a great debating skills.

    No one has to defend anyone or cheer anyone here. But I will stand in, as much as my time allows, to defend every ones right to debate without being molested. If Zenobia, Aboud, or anyone else for that matter shreds my arguments, even harshly, I myself have no problem with that. If anyone else finds logical inconsistencies in my arguments or find then objectionable, I would urge that such be presented, in respectable non personalizing manner, and let us move on.

    Again, I am not acting as a judge here. But I am once more, pulling the traditional patriarchal age seniority, as well as the privileged position as the host of the debate.

  212. Hear Hear…I’m with you on that, OTW.

    For whatever it’s worth, I offer my apologies for the name calling directed at crazybear by jarthouma and again ask some 7eetanis this question: does it really make you feel better to call people names you wouldn’t like to be directed at you? C’mon folks, treat others as you would like to be treated…why is it soooo bloody hard to do that?! See, you’re turning me into an old bore.

    Back to the discussion:

    1-Crazybear, please outline your suggestions for helping the revolution/fsa to overcome the reservations you harbor against it, if you are for it at all, of course.

    2-Whilst I don’t want to make it look as if we’re ganging up on you here crazybear, I’d like to add to and expand on what Aboud, Sheila and OTW said above.

    Let’s get back to basics: from the start the regime refused to allow peaceful protests sending its snipers to scare people against demonstrating, then tried its damnedest (unsuccessfully) to push the opposition to choose violence, until several months later the fsa was FORCED INTO BEING DUE TO REGIME ACTIONS and not by free choice. The effort from the start was to present the uprising as extremist armed gangs sent from abroad and this continued and as the FSA gained strength and numbers, it became essential to besmirch its image and confuse the picture, so we had the Mu’allem videos, then the orchestrated “suicide” bombings in damascus and now videos like the one you posted. What for? So they can ratchet up the violence, (use of aerial bombardment will follow soon when the current campaigns fail as they certainly will), go all out Hama ’82-style, and achieve total victory (unlikely, even impossible methinks), which then makes it a true civil war on par with the Spanish one. I repeat what I asked before: why?

    Because the ASMAA are adamant that Syria either stays theirs or no one else will get to have it, not whole anyway; they would rather burn it down rather than surrender it, proving once and for all that they never loved the place except as a prison farm to exploit and play gods and masters over its people.

    And here is a bit of a rant to follow up on the above.

    I don’t think the above conclusion will be a “Samson’s last act” as many say. They, the ASMAA will try to preserve the coastal region as the place to retreat to with their plundered armaments and money. That’s when it will become crystal clear whether the ASMAA is a truly sectarian regime or a bunch of like-minded criminals and thieves from a wide spectrum of backgrounds? Will non Alawis be allowed into the enclave and given the honor of citizenship in the new Assadist Princedom? Will Hassoun and al Bouti be invited? Will Alawis not totally committed to the “Assadist Way” be marginalized and used as the new prison-laborers? Will non Alawi native inhabitants of the coast be allowed to stay, keep their land and properties and be given full rights or treated as 2nd class citizens, or will they be “ethnically cleansed’, Balkan-style?

    Many might think the questions touch on sectarian issue better left alone, or that the scenario is a trip into fantasy-land (chicken sheett, my Texan friends would say) . Maybe so, but such questions need to be asked/discussed, though some might suggest it is a wee bit early to start doing so now. The more important question is what can we do now to prevent the situation heading toward such a scenario?

    MGB,
    the Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships

    PS Needless to say the “Salafist” in my handle name at SC was actually just to stir and rile up the menhibbakjiyeh and give me another S for ASSAD and is not a true description of what I am; the other words are. Just in case you think I am starting to sound like a salafist :-)

  213. SyrianExpat

    sometimes i wonder where Aljazeera finds their talkshow guests. Here in Berlin we have been beaten up on antiassad demonstrations, one syrian politician to the local government here was beaten up in his apartment. The least you hear is the various versions of sh…a, and hardly i met one Assad supporter on the street with manners and who could articulate. You see the strangest alliances when it comes to this regime. Here in Berlin we saw members of the Ahbash sect and hisbollah supporters on the street together holding up posters of Assad the embassy guys gave them. In real life they had each other, but i guess for Assad they make an exception.

  214. FIne fine…… :) . Can I at least ask him about the secret code in the last Tunisian game of the African cup ? I insist ! I want to know whether the three passes during the first 5 minutes of the second half are an indirect message about the timer on the bomb that will be used to blow up Beshos favourite Xbox

  215. “لنظام السوري نجح في الايقاع بالجيش السوري الحر في عدة مناطق في ريف دمشق عندما انسحب منها بشكل تكتيكي للايحاء بقوة هذا الجيش التابع للمعارضة، ولتكريس مقولته التي تؤكد انه يواجه جيشا قويا، ليعود بعد يومين ليستعيد هذه المناطق في ساعات معدودة، وبعد ارتكاب مجزرة في حق المدنيين. فاذا كان النظام استخدم ‘فزاعة’ تنظيم ‘القاعدة’ بالقاء تبعة عمليات التفجير في دمشق على عاتقها مثلما تؤكد المعارضة، فما المانع من استخدامه ‘فزاعة’ الجيش السوري الحر في الاطار نفسه لتبرير استخدامه المفرط للقوة ضد المحتجين المدنيين العزل؟”

    “The Syrian regime has succeeded in trapping the Free Syrian Army several times in different locations in Reef-Damascus. The Syrian army intentionally and tactically was withdrawing from these areas trying to send a signal of the strength of the FSA “as armed gangs”, that’s in order to dedicate his statement that confirms that the army is facing a strong army, only to return after two days to restore these areas in few hours, and after the commission of a civilians massacres. The regime has used for long the famous scarecrow “Al Qaeda” to lay down the consequences of the bombings in Damascus upon it, at least that’s what the opposition claims. So why not using the new ‘scarecrow ‘ of Free Syrian Army in the same context to justify the use of excessive force against unarmed civilian protesters?”

    This was written in Alquds Alrabi. I totally disagree with this point of view as I’m sure that it’s the actual strength and determination of FSA and protesters which has lead to push the regime’s gangs out of their towns and suburbs. However, I have to admit it’s a worth noting point of view and maybe there’s someone (for change) is playing some tactic.

  216. I suppose you all heard this but just in case, last night’s Ja’afari speech at the UN:

  217. UNSC current structure (in terms of Members States of the Council and the position of Syria

    Permanent members

    - United States: Calls for Assad to step down.

    - United Kingdom: Calls for Assad to step down.

    - France: Calls for Assad to step down.

    - Russia: Calls for a dialogue between the Assad and the opposition.

    - China: Rejects foreign intervention in Syria.

    Non-permanent members

    - Azerbaijan: Supports the Arab League position.

    - Colombia: Its position is not clear yet.

    - Germany: Calls for Assad to step down.

    - Guatemala: Supports the Arab League position.

    - India: Rejects foreign intervention in Syria.

    Morocco: Supports the Arab League position.

    Pakistan: Demands respect for the sovereignty of Syria.

    Portugal: Calls for Assad to step down.

    South Africa: Calls for a political solution led by the Syrian regime.

    Togo: its position is not clear yet but depends heavily on South Africa.

  218. “Talking about mood swings and problems at home is not, at least in my opinion, part of “great debating skills” Aboud boasts about”

    Maybe people here would like to hear what MY typical day is like

    http://audioboo.fm/boos/647166-whys-guest-in-homs-the-gunfire-s-never-been-this-close

    I think I may be excused for being somewhat touchy at times. And I think I did pretty well taking on the Russian position in the HYS’s 6pm segment.

    True, Al Quds Al Arabi has always been defeatist. The Syrian army has never managed to trap crap. We will see the FSA come back to those areas again in a month at the most. And the regime doesn’t need an excuse to obliterate a neighborhood, here in Homs every single person I know who has been arrested was rounded up randomly.

  219. Allah ya7meek Ya Aboud. Everyday wake up for the sake of Allah and may he give you the serenity that you need

  220. I found it bloody pathetic how Ja’afari quoted Nizar Qabbai. This is the same Nizar who refused to sell his soul to the evil papa Hafiz, who’s in return turned his life into hell and chased him from a place to another. Quoting such a great poet who enjoys a strong strain of anti-authoritarianism to defend a dictator is far away from any sense of comprehension.

    One couplet in particular, Nizar says — “O Sultan, my master, if my clothes are ripped and torn it is because your dogs with claws are allowed to tear me” — is sometimes quoted by Arabs as a kind of wry shorthand for their frustration with life under dictatorship.

  221. “Maybe people here would like to hear what MY typical day is like”

    Bless you people of Homs.

    Dude!! you sound pretty young :) I always thought you were a pretty old man who has witnessed the times of union with Egypt and so on in addition to 1967, 1971 and 1973.

    Be safe and don’t get an overdose of sleeping pills eh

  222. WARNING ….. WARNING …..WARNING

    To people of Damascus please refrain from using water tab today especially for drinking and cooking. The water treatment unit for Damascus was targeted at early hours this morning so the water you’re getting is not processed or treated so it might contain some bacteria or other elements.

    You expats try to inform your family and friends in Damascus.

  223. “Be safe and don’t get an overdose of sleeping pills eh”

    I must have lost 15 kg in the past 10 months. I look alot more tired than last year.

    Well, the UNSC resolution failed to get passed. So, that’s that phase over and done with. We did our best to do things the political way.

    Now it’s time to create facts on the ground. And if people don’t like what happens next, go whine to Russia

  224. just watched the security council meeting. Remarkable speeches by Arabi and Clinton, i loved her statement: Syria does beloeng to its 23 million inhabitants and not to one man or his family.

    here one could see the full speeches also the dramatic appeal of the syrian ambassador, he even quoted Quabbani and his childhood donation of his pocket money for the liberation of the gulf countries….

    http://c-spanvideo.org/program/MeetingonSy

  225. “We did our best to do things the political way. Now it’s time to create facts on the ground. And if people don’t like what happens next, go whine to Russia”

    Months and months back we said there’s one title of victory, this title is called FSA.

  226. Ehasani’s trip to Syria :

    http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=13257&cp=all#comments

    Aboud you have indeed a very young voice

  227. Dear Aboud:
    I do appreciate your typical and atypical days. and sorry to bring up the subject again, but I really need to get to the bottom of this.

    It may be understandable why one in your situation may have little patience for niceties of dialog and be angered by others not seeing the world the way you see it from the trenches. But how come it is OK for you to “vent” out and not for others?

    And suppose it is OK (although it is not) for you. How would one excuse someone like me or others who may use the same style and approach in ways that look more like ganging up on someone who today challenges the possibility of excessive militarization of the revolution, and tomorrow may question some serious screw up by one or another of the FSA brigades or individuals. Allowing you or anyone else a wider margin will only result in encouraging others like me, who do not live in the trenches, to use the same style and to act as if we are the real thing, and we are not . In the end, it will affect the entire blog, stifling debate, making real informed discussion near impossible and I am afraid, justifying the notion that 7ee6an is only for those who are willing to pat each others on the back. This is not my vision. I value each member of this community the same

    Other than that, please stay safe my friend.

  228. Aboud,

    It was nice hearing your voice. Young, articulate, and with little accent.

    Be safe,

    OTW,

    It is a shame these little squabbles and disagreements appear from time-to-time. Being unified is important. I think most here realize Assad has to go; the sooner the better. Everything else is how best to accomplish it.

    Arguing with the menhebaks is a waste of time. Those that think Assad is the best Syria has to offer need psychiatric help! Of course, in Syria, these two points-of-view translate into violence, death, and arrests. Unfortunately, this means a civil war. It wouldn’t be the first.

    AP

  229. I’m not young. Im not even in my 20s anymore.

    >_<

    Not used to hearing the sound of my own voice.

    OTW, I responded the way I did to Zenobia after her obnoxious way of addressing me, even after I extended every courtesy to her. From now on, (name calling removed by OTW) can expect no such civility from me.

    But I am interested in hearing how the flower-power block intend to move things now that Russia has pissed all over the AL's excellent initiative. They can tell me after a year how that's worked out for them.

  230. I did a search on “John Bolton Syria” to see what one of my political heroes has said recently on this subject. Basically he is saying that if you want to bring down Assad, you have to take on the Ayatollahs in Iran first, and Obama is not prepared to do so.

    You can agree or not. It seems the Syrian people are doing a fairly good job on their own.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/17/john-bolton-argues-the-u-s-has-the-wrong-president-for-a-syrian-intervention.html

  231. Aboud, your answer would have been fine had it not been for name calling, which is part of what what I was talking about. You have just thrown my kind appeal to Jarthouma out the window. I do not appreciate that.

  232. AP

    It is a shame these little squabbles and disagreements appear from time-to-time. Being unified is important. I think most here realize Assad has to go; the sooner the better. Everything else is how best to accomplish it.

    Agree, but being unified by compromising key principles will be a dangerous trend I do not want to encourage. In fact, I am more comforted when I see a great diversity of opinion among those supporting the revolution or at least recognizing that Assad and his regime must go for Syria, and I believe the region indirectly to move a head. It is a healthy sign and it is about time we Syrians learn to debate with less emotion and more substance. This is really my quest and I would like to get 7ee6an to a point where people you and I both know and have encountered feel comfortable enough to chip in as they recognize that this is a serious debate place and not merely a revolution propaganda site. That of course means that I will not allow the site to become a regime propaganda outlet either.

  233. Dear Juergen
    I did not have chance to comment on your refund story, but it was excellent in demonstrating the inefficiency of very hierarchical systems where no one except those at the helm has any real actionable authority delegated. It is the mark of authoritarian systems.

  234. OTW,

    You’re doing a bang-up job, and I understand your search for perfection. I’m sure it is difficult.

    OTOH, saying Zenobia is part of the “flower-power block” is sort of funny; (removed by OTW for inappropriate information) disrespect for Zenobia – I find her POV very interesting and relevant. BTW, you can call me a “chicken-hawk” if you want; the Israeli-liberals found that a good label for me.;)

    BTW, the Oslo failure silenced the Israeli-liberals, and now the Syrian “Arab Spring” issue has rendered them even more irrelevent. Ya’ani, “Silence of the Lambs”;) Where is Norman Finkelstein and Jonathan Cook??

  235. Dear 7ee6anis
    A group has started an online campaign to boycott russia and china for their support of the Assad regime in Syria . The group is urging several actions, including:

    We would then like to call upon all the free people of the world and most specifically the Arab and Islamic people to participate with us to stop the killing in Syria, which is encouraged and supported by the governments of Russia and China. We call for the boycott of:
    - All the products of Russia and China
    - All the companies of Russia and China
    - All activities, cultural or other, endorsed by the governments of Russia and China

    My question is how realistic such a request is? and what would it take to make it bite?

  236. OTW,

    Wow, a BDS of Russia and China! Pinch me!

  237. AP
    LOL … Pinch,

    But seriously, do you have any idea abut how to make it bite or whether it is realistic?

    I think it is more realistic for Russia than for China. Because for China, it means we save almost 80% of our discretionary spending in the US and about 20 to 30% of our spending on essentials. I also think that China’s position is less certain and more persuadable than Russia’s. Am I correct in that.

  238. Russia is exporting mainly oil, minerals and weapons (the last is apparently not counted in most statistics), and imports Machinery [1]. It is therefor unlikely a boycott would do much against them. I am not sure the world could afford to boycott two major oil producers (Iran and Russia).

    China, OTOH, might be vulnerable. Their regime must keep an high growth to remain stable, and they export commodities which are far easier to boycott. Also, they are dependent on imported oil, a fair portion of which is from the ME.

    [1]
    http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~chegeo/index2.htm
    (somewhat outdated, but I suspect with the recent economic crisis the picture hasn’t changed much).

  239. But seriously, do you have any idea abut how to make it bite or whether it is realistic?

    OTW,

    Yes, little to none.

    The BDS against Israel was easy due to the decades-long opposition to Israel throughout the liberal world.

    Going against the communist bastions of Russia and China is something the liberal community can’t do. The chances of creating a BDS against Russia and China are about the same as Jonathan Cook and Norman Finkelstein writing articles against Syria and Hezbollah.

    You can’t make monkey act like fish.

    The simplist way to accomplish this is to ally yourselves with the natural enemies of communism: conservatives. The arabs should switch their allegiance toward Romney, Sarkozy, and Cameron. N’est pas? Meeting with BB wouldn’t hurt either…

  240. Thanks Y and AP. Y, your view contradicts my assumption regarding who is more vulnerable, but it does make more sense than what I initially thought with respect to the nature of the economy of both countries. To think of it, China could really be vulnerable in Arab countries where a good dint can be made into their exports. I general, with the exception of South Africa, many BDS campaigns ends up being more of a moral stand (whether one agrees or not) than an actual economic tool.

    AP. As for supporting conservatives instead of liberal. I am trying my best to separate my vote as an American citizen on issues related to the US, our economy, social justice, etc.. from the Syria issue. But that is something we will definitely approach as the election get closer and the republican candidate become more evident. I do agree with your comment that it be very hard to get the liberal community to go against Russia and Iran. But who said BDS has to strictly be a liberal issue? again, at least from the moral stand point. As I write, the number if victims stand at 42 civilians and 14 members of the FSA and the day is not yet over in Syria.

    I will do my part and spread the word.

  241. But who said BDS has to strictly be a liberal issue? again, at least from the moral stand point. As I write, the number if victims stand at 42 civilians and 14 members of the FSA and the day is not yet over in Syria.

    OTW,

    Change can come from government leadership or from the people. In both cases, the two group can be pretty inconsistent.

    Anti-Israel policies came from the Europeans and the thrid world due to the Palestinians (sometimes self-imposed) suffering and the liberal ideology of equality (never mind Islamist ideology). For example, this past New Year’s, I met a Jewish-Swede woman who lived in Israel for over 10 years and who has recently returned to live in Sweden. She said the Swedes are pro-Palestinian because they tend to support “the under-dog”.

    Do the Swedes and other liberals support those fighting against strong nations who support communism like Russia, China, Vietnam, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, etc? No. Does the pro-women organization NOW harshly criticize countries who don’t promote equal rights for women? No. Do American pro-black orgs criticize black countries that still permit slavery? No.

    People have difficulty criticizing themselves.

    Now that the tables have been turned, I think Arabs should look at supporting conservatives who have always been pro-democracy and pro-individuality.

    I found this news article about slavery. Comparing this individual with what is going on in Syria is a bit profound to me…

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/letter-freed-slave-former-master-draw-attention-151653952.html

  242. Aboud,it’s thank to syrians like you that we are proud to be syrian again.

  243. AP
    Supporting the underdog is a very normal, compensatory human behavior. But I am dismayed at the failure of many on the left to address the issues you mentioned including for example the continuing practice of slavery in Mauritania.

    I have and will continue to argue that success of the Syrian revolution in removing the Assad regime will have a major impact on the future of the region, especially in terms of freeing the Palestinian cause from the destructive interference of the Syrian regime and reducing the Iranian influence on that issue. The Assad regime has been the galvanizing point of most reactionary Arab intellectuals stuck in communist era mentality. You and I will come back and discuss how barriers will crumble one after the other. The difference will be that I think and hope that out of that a real liberal movement will emerge that would have learnt from the conservatives to be zealot when it comes to liberty and individuality but still retain a considerable attachment to social justice.

  244. Really cool to hear Aboud’s voice. Do stay safe and alert, young man. BTW, was it only 1:29 short? Would love to hear the whole conversation if possible. Tell us how!

    OTW, hang in there akhi, we’ll get there eventually.

    True and Aboud:: I’m not sure I’d interpret the alQuds piece as defeatist. To me it tries to demonstrate how cunning and dirty the Assadist Occupation Forces are, always making excuses and trying to camouflage their killing of unarmed civilians with devious and false justifications. That is why I never believed in dismissing or belittling Besho and his executioners as clueless fools. Also why it’s so frustrating to see the divisions among the opposition. We need all of our smarts, wits and energies employed against both the intellectual and physical powers of the murderous Mafiosi and their occupation forces, not wasted on arguing with each other.

    SYRIANS FOR FREEDOM, DIGNITY AND DEMOCRACY…UNITE!

  245. Russia in its current post-Yeltsin incarnation is about as “communist” or socialist as Avigdor Lieberman. I think it’s a straw man argument to say that Europeans or Americans on the left support what Russia does because it is Russia — or have any illusions that China is a socialist state with a commitment to social justice. Nor would I assume that Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Amira Hass and Gideon Levy are cheerleading for Assad. Supporting one BDS does not preclude another. The very idea of BDS came from the boycott of apartheid South Africa.

    Great to hear your voice, Aboud. Keep the faith.

    aka Emma Goldman (look it up!)

  246. Der Spiegel, germans leading magazin wrote a story about Asma Al Assad titleling: The Beauty and the Butcher… Quite a label, i wonder if the syrian amabassador caught his breath reading that.

    I have posted it on SC if anyone wants to read it.

  247. Supporting the underdog is a very normal, compensatory human behavior.

    OTW,

    True. However, sometimes it is not clear who the underdog is. This is where “hasbara” and politics meets the pavement.

    But I am dismayed at the failure of many on the left to address the issues you mentioned including for example the continuing practice of slavery in Mauritania.

    You and me both. That is why I have difficulty understanding “liberals”. I understand their need to support the underdog, but they have too many “politically favorite” underdogs. G-d forbid if you aren’t a member of one of these groups.

    Responding to umm nuwâs:

    Russia in its current post-Yeltsin incarnation is about as “communist” or socialist as Avigdor Lieberman.

    You may very well be right. My impression is that Russia is a family “thugocracy” like Syria. I assume it is not communist anymore, despite it’s recent history as the leader of the communist world.

    I think it’s a straw man argument to say that Europeans or Americans on the left support what Russia does because it is Russia — or have any illusions that China is a socialist state with a commitment to social justice. Nor would I assume that Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Amira Hass and Gideon Levy are cheerleading for Assad. Supporting one BDS does not preclude another.

    umm nuwas,

    Just by virtue of these groups and individuals staying so silent in the face of worse crimes against people who aren’t part of their favorite boogeymen: capitalism, Israel and the US, smacks of hypocrisy and ultimately, non-relevance.

    The very idea of BDS came from the boycott of apartheid South Africa.

    I agree. Now what about South African crime, violence and the treatment of whites today? Not an issue.

  248. AGAIN,
    WHY DOES THIS LITTLE VOICE – (removed by OTW for language)

    get to print something with my Name in it…. or make false references: “miss salafi brigade in homs”

    where exactly does this come from??? I have never ever mentioned any of the word in this entire phrase EVER. So….where does this
    little “sh*t” as he likes to say of others…. get off!….

    Nor have I ever mentioned “flowers” or singing…or anything else vaguely similar.

    Akbar, Nor have I mentioned anything about my education here for you to disclose or talk about me. Why don’t you start using your name(Removed by OTW for inappropriate information) , before you take any steps to reference me again in the context of some shit with this asshole…

    ‘whining’ (isn’t that your favorite word) and making excuses for his behavior….awww MY bad (and impressive! just in case you missed it!) day is harder than everyone else’s AND….. that he was ONLY responding to Zenobia’s obnoxious reference.
    BULLSHIT.
    you have a complete track record way before and after encountering me- banned from other blog- a little tyrant , disdainful, mocking tone with people who don’t agree with you or have an opinion that enrages you.

    Now Crazybear can bear the heat of the baby Shark biting biting at everyone’s heels.

    And then your sadistic tactics for shutting other people up.

  249. What I like about all the shelling, is that it drowns out the shrilling shrieks of others.

    And how did she-who-must-not-be-named know what the term was that I used? OTW censored it almost immediately.

    Apparently OTW, there must be some private whining going on via emails, which you’ve succumbed to. Thanks a million.

  250. Zenobia,

    For whatever it is worth, I apologize if I offended you.

  251. I was reading it on my email asshole A. It was right there… called notifications.

  252. While you engage mostly in PUBLIC WHINING AND HUMILIATION OF OTHERS….
    THE GREAT FACE OF YOUR REVOLUTION.
    you are an embarrassment to it actually.

  253. AP , OTW & anyone interested :

    It would, in fact, be an excellent idea to get the info on BDS of Russia and China for their support of Assad to those involved with the “other” BDS movement, many of whom are not one-issue activists.

    Here is Noam Chomsky on the Arab democracy movements, and, in the YouTube, talking about the Syrian revolution, or rather about the American government’s fence-sitting . Chomsky’s being mostly concerned about the US is hardly surprising, as he is American –

    http://www.chomsky.info/talks/20110313.htm

    – Amira Hass and Gideon Levy are Israeli journalists working for peace and justice, so it isn’t surprising either that Israel and Palestine are the focus of their writing rather than Darfur or Somalia.

    I have seen reams of articles about corruption, violence and health issues in South Africa now — in Le Monde, in the Guardian, in Le Monde Diplomatique, & innumerable other journals.

    Do Western feminist organizations criticize legal and “traditional” oppression of women in Asia, Southeast Asia, the Middle East, Africa ? Yes, and get flak for it, from both left and right, at home and abroad. Much in the press right now from many places about the future for Egyptian and Tunisian women post-election.

    May we soon be discussing the role of everyone — Sunnites, Alawites, Christians, Kurds and secular, and women who are all of the above — in Syria post-Besho and post-free elections. Inch’allah.

  254. *rolls eyes*

    Umm Nuwâs…hello, how are you? Now I have a beef with you my friend. You called me aka Emma Goldman. Looked her up on Wikipedia. What caught my attention wasn’t that she was a leading anarchist, or a disillusioned supporter of Bolshevism. No, what caught my eye was this;

    “Goldman was well-known during her life, described as—among other things—”the most dangerous woman in America”

    >_<

  255. Akbar and Zenobia
    You are both asked not to make reference to any personally identifying information. I am sorry that even though I read Akbar’s remark, his violation of site rules skipped me but that does not excuse the counter violation.

    Dear MGB
    OTW, hang in there akhi, we’ll get there eventually.

    I will hang there for as long as I can, thanks for the support.

  256. AP

    That letter by the freed slave you posted absolutely made my day. Thank you! It took me to the age when my favorite American author lived, a straight talker who would have totally loved the tone of the letter and its author’s attitude. He was also an unabashed anti-imperialist and let the world know it in no uncertain terms.

    Anyone have trouble viewing Jeurgen’s video at 08:45? It’s telling me “sorry this is a private video”.

  257. Aboud

    Believe me that was an nice remark about Emma , she was an extraordinary women, and she wrote an avery amusing autobiography almost a must read i would say.

  258. I just didn’t understand what part of anarchist, Bolshevik, dangerous woman applied to me :)

    (contrary to what someone may believe, there isn’t a space telescope in existence that can fully encompass the full majesty that is named after a famous whale. Hehe)

  259. Son of Damascus

    MGB,

    The video was made by the BeAware team (who make great videos so far only 3), I did not find the third one on their youtube channel (I got the private message as well) nor could I find another copy of the third video (that was not private). Below is the groups youtube channel I am sure it will be re-uploaded there soon enough.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/BeAwareTeam

    If you have not seen the first two videos I highly recommend them, it makes me really proud to see Syrians speaking so eloquently about their rights and demands for Freedom and respect.

  260. That letter by the freed slave you posted absolutely made my day. Thank you!

    MGB,

    Glad to oblige. We Americans are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, however, we seem to change for the better; as long as we have an election, rule-of-law, and an open society.

    I was amazed at the letter writer’s english. Slaves were most often kept out of school and illiterate. Any society that permits slavery is sick, yet it’s still around and gets swept under the rug in today’s world.

    umm nuwâs,

    Spare me! Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Jonathan Cook and their ilk all have written extensively about the “crimes” and “original sin” of Israel and Zionism.

    I can only respect those who can criticize both sides to a conflict. Here is Chomsky’s website and his list of articles. Do you see any articles critical of Assad or any arab despot?

    Why not?

    http://www.chomsky.info/articles.htm

    If you want to read/learn about the other side of the Arab-Israeli conflict, feel free to read CAMERA and Daniel Pipes. It is not as “black and white” as these ideologues make you believe. Go to their archives and read about the corrections and retractions and the many subjects they cover. All I ask is that people remain open-minded.

  261. Blowhard’s for Peace

    A list of Jonathan Cook’s latest anti-Israel articles which, of course, is light (or non-existent) on arab despot criticism…

    http://www.jkcook.net/Latest.htm

  262. “All I ask is that people remain open-minded.”

    Tall order to ask of some people. It is because of the scrutiny of intellectuals like Daniel Pipes that many of the more hardline religious demagogues have had to learn to temper some of their more outrageous statements and behaviors. Previously, you’d even hear crap like what animals were “cursed” in the Quran and were enemies of Muslims.

    Some people may not like some of the things Daniel Pipes says, but there is no denying that the behavior of some political Islamists needed a light shone on it, something too many Muslims themselves were too timid to do, lest they be hit with the “takfeer” edict and fatwas calling for their deaths.

    Another person I like is Irshad Manji. Politically, she is somewhat naive, but on certain social issues she has some opinions that bear examining. Although what’s with that haircut….

  263. Aboud
    Daniel Pipes does in the US exactly what the Shabee7a on SC do. Call anyone he disagrees with terrorist lover and tries to intimidate anyone who criticizes Israel. He should be one of those you are complaining about not having open mind. I wonder if you know anything about Daniel pipes work to suppress academic freedom? and the freedom of expression of Arab-American and Muslim students in the US. or if you know of his efforts to paint Muslims in the US in the worst possible view.

    As for imagining that he has any impact o the way radical imams think, or write, Please think again. Just remember that the enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.

  264. “To people of Damascus please refrain from using water tab today especially for drinking and cooking. The water treatment unit for Damascus was targeted at early hours this morning so the water you’re getting is not processed or treated so it might contain some bacteria or other elements.”

    Who targetted the water plamt, and why ? If it was the Opposition, what could they have gained from it ?

  265. “As for imagining that he has any impact o the way radical imams think, or write, Please think again.”

    I know alot of the impact he’s had. You have no idea at all how disgustingly crude, anti-semitic and anti-anything-not-a-Wahabi-Muslim the English language Saudi press was, before they came under Pipe’s scrutiny. I do, I saw firsthand the change in formerly holier than thou columnists who tamed their pens once someone started to bring attention to their writings. Nothing moderates someone better than the fear that they will be denied a visa to Europe or the USA for their annual vacations.

    “I wonder if you know anything about Daniel pipes work to suppress academic freedom?”

    You mean Campus Watch? Well, let the man himself defend this project in his own words

    “Campus Watch is to Middle East studies as political analysis to politics, film criticism to movies, and consumer reports to manufacturing; we provide assessments for the public. Unlike politicians, actors, and business executives, who accept criticism with good grace, academics howl with umbrage at being judged”

    Do you have specific examples were he went too far? That would be an interesting topic to debate. But he certainly has never killed or tortured anyone, so please, calling him a shabiha is too ridiculous for someone of your intelligence.

    “Call anyone he disagrees with terrorist lover”

    Really? Could you tell us who he has called a “terrorist lover”, and let’s examine if those charges have merit.

    “Just remember that the enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.”

    Yes, As’ad Abu Khalil is so much better, throwing around the Salafi word and quoting his imaginary sources. Or maybe the PLF-GC. Or Hamas who broke up a pro-Syrian revolution demonstration in Gaza. Or our Indian friends. Or the nice Lebanese we helped and sheltered in 2006 after Israel turned the Dahiya into so much rubble. Or maybe the nice leftists who were so full of love for Arabs during the American invasion but now throw around the conspiracy word more times than a John Le Carre novel. What friends are we talking about here?

    All my life, all I’ve heard is how the USA and Europe hate Arabs. Well, if it wasn’t for the diplomatic help we were getting from them right now, were would we be? Their foreign ministers, their top diplomats, put in an appearance at the SC, which is more than can be said for Pakistan, India or South Africa.

  266. Aboud,

    I am still pinching myself (I like that term) because you’re the only arab I know that isn’t inclined to critcize Zionists and their supporters at every opportunity. You are the most balanced arab I know. And you HAVE criticized Israel in the past, you just don’t make Israel the sole neighborhood villian like those wonderful anti-Zionists do.

    OTW,

    Please indulge me. Go to Danny’s website, go to his VAST archive, peruse the articles and then place 3 or 4 links links in a post showing what you claim:

    “…anyone he disagrees with terrorist lover and tries to intimidate anyone who criticizes Israel.”

    I wonder if you know anything about Daniel pipes work to suppress academic freedom?

    All DP does is bring to light what those in academia say (like Professor Josh).

    Daniel Pipes states on right at the beginning of his website:

    The project mainly addresses five problems: analytical failures, the mixing of politics with scholarship, intolerance of alternative views, apologetics, and the abuse of power over students. Campus Watch fully respects the freedom of speech of those it debates while insisting on its own freedom to comment on their words and deeds.

    I’d say Professor Josh has had a few “analytical failures”, no? Or more accurately, a MORALITY failure….

    http://www.danielpipes.org/

    http://www.campus-watch.org/

  267. Aboud
    How much time did you ever spend on an American Campus?

    To begin with, Daniel Pipe’s description of campus watch is hugwash. It is like Al Capone testifying about the charity organization he heads. This organization has one single objective and that is to ensure that Islamic and Arab studies never challenge the narratives that are in line with Israel’s right wing. Using McArthist tools akin to those used by authoritarian regimes.It is really funny that you and Akbar to preach about mistrusting people who always criticize one side then introduce Daniel Pipes as the example of an enlightened “scholar”. It is stretch ludicrous and a mile cynical.

    Campus Watch stifles academic freedom and I don’t give a rat’s ass whose freedom it stifles as long as it creates an environment in which free pursuit of truth is intimidated. Here is a snippet from an article that appeared in the Chronicle of Higher Education, one of the most respected journals dealing with Academic life in the US.

    Fear of Muslims has been exacerbated by professors in the booming field of terrorism and security studies, who not infrequently characterize Islam as an inherently violent religion. Those who speak favorably of Islam come under fire from organizations like Campus Watch, which monitors what professors are saying and applies its substantial resources to challenging the reputations of those with whom it disagrees. This has created an ugly atmosphere on some campuses, as professors teaching courses on Islam may have to worry about how their remarks might be reported and how that may affect their careers.

    So please spare us your enlightened professor whose claim to academia is being to copy the tactics of the regime you are fighting against and to use as much of these tactics as he could pass into our democratic system.

  268. Eli Cohen using the alias, Kamel Amin Thaabet كامل أمين ثابت. He is best known for his work in Syria, where he developed close relationships with the political and military hierarchy and became the Chief Adviser to the Minister of Defence and was even considered for the position of Deputy Minister Of Defence. He was eventually exposed and executed in Syria in May 1965. He was an Israeli spy in Syria from 1962-1965.

    In the same year 1965, Hafez al-Assad became Syria’s defence minister.

    Assad and others planned the 1963 coup d’état, which took the Ba’ath Party to power. Following the coup, Assad returned to the Air Force in the rank of major. Syria was officially ruled by Amin Hafiz.

    The following year, 1964, Assad jumped several ranks to become a general and was appointed to the Ba’ath Party’s regional command. The following year, he became Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force. This military power allowed Assad, operating in conjunction with Salah Jadid, to overthrow the government of Amin Hafiz in 1966.

    In 1966, the neo-Ba’ath led by Jadid launched a coup d’état within the government and against the Ba’ath Party’s national leadership led by Michel Aflaq and Salah al-Din al-Bitar. One of the key decisions of al-Assad and Jadid was to replace Aflaq with Zaki al-Arsuzi as the party’s key ideologue. Assad became Minister of Defence and wielded considerable influence over government policy. However, there was tension between the dominant radical wing of the Ba’ath Party, which promoted an aggressive foreign policy and rapid social reform, and Assad’s more pragmatic, military-based faction. After being discredited by the failure of the Syrian military in the Six-Day War in 1967, and enraged by the aborted Syrian intervention in the Jordanian-Palestinian Black September war, the government faced conflict within its ranks. By the time President Nureddin al-Atassi and the de facto leader, deputy secretary general of the Ba’ath Party Jadid, realized the threat and ordered Assad and Tlass be stripped of all party and government power, it was too late. Assad swiftly launched a bloodless intra-party coup, the Corrective Revolution of 1970. The party was purged, Atassi and Jadid jailed, and Assad loyalists installed in key posts throughout the government.

  269. AP, someone once defined a conservative is being a liberal who’s been mugged. I can relate to that. The same people who excused suicide bombings in the second intifada, as the acts of a desperate people, call us armed terrorist Salafis when we try to defend ourselves. The hypocrisy that some people are capable of is staggering.

    There is not one single person here, who wishes the shabiha’s transgressions were limited to that which Daniel Pipes is accused of doing. That I can live with. Heck, it would be like living in the most beautiful democracy I could hope for.

    See, gunfire outside right now. Whose house is getting hit? Whose family is in danger? What terrified mother and father are trying to shield their children? Whose son is out there protecting us from a shabiha or army assault? Who are these brave men who are preventing the shabiha from doing to me what they did to that family of 14 in Karam al Zeitoun? My life is in their hands. It is because of them that some scruffy shabih doesn’t have his foot on my neck, forcing me to kiss a portrait of the child prethident.

    And people take me to task for reading Daniel Pipes? I’d go arm in arm with Satan himself if he’d rid us of this murderous junta. Which is probably not a recommendation Pipes would appreciate much.

    Know what I dreamt of last night? Being in a supermarket, which was open at 8pm, walking down an isle and actually seeing the shelves fully stocked. Finding my favorite cereal. finding the tomato juice I love to drink, and canned sweet corn. Everyone else walking and shopping at their leisure, no one in a rush to get home, no one filling their carts with countless bottles of water and bags of rice as if it was the eve of a nuclear war. That is what my dreams have been reduced to. And I’d spend a thousand more nights like it to be rid of junior and his scum.

  270. “So please spare us your enlightened professor whose claim to academia is being to copy the tactics of the regime you are fighting against”

    Oh please, enough with the self-righteousness. I WISH the shabiha limited themselves to the worst things you imagine Pipes of having done. That would be a better democracy than any of us can expect to see in 20 years.

    Are “Islamic” and “Arab” academics so lacking in self confidence that they can’t stand outside criticism? Nobody who performs their academic duties responsibly should have any need to fear any 17th century style witch hunt as you describe it.

    OTW, you choose to ignore one important difference between Pipes and the regime. What the regime says is law, there is no recourse. But in the USA, Pipes is as vulnerable to the same criticisms as anyone he himself criticizes. In fact, who you criticize says more about you than it does about the other person (which was why I was so happy when a certain individual called me an embarrassment to the revolution. A guy who risks his neck so the world can hear first hand the gunfire and explosions going on is, to her type, an embarrassment. She will never be able to live that one down).

  271. Nonsense and inaccurate comparison. Shabee7a are trying to preserve a repressive system, Pipes is trying to instill one. It has nothing to do with self righteousness despite of the nice word.

    Daniel pipes and his organizations would like what they do to become the law. Several boards of regents have been pressured in order to dictate pipe’s vision as the norm on campuses.

    Are “Islamic” and “Arab” academics so lacking in self confidence that they can’t stand outside criticism? Nobody who performs their academic duties responsibly should have any need to fear any 17th century style witch hunt as you describe it.

    You are talking about a community you know nothing about and about a profession you have no clue what is involved in it. Yes there is a which hunt. And your phrase, as catchy as it is has zero credibility when discussing what are the academic duties of an American Professor and how American Universities are supposed to function in terms of guaranteeing the scientific credentials of their faculty and the intellectual development of their students as free thinkers.Daniel Pipes organization and its tactics represent a clear and present threat to the integrity of both processes.

    And no, it is not a 17th century witch hunt (don’t ascribe adjectives to my words), its is a 20th and 21st century witch hunt using students to spy on their professors and to report to the organization who then tries to pressure the university using one of the most dangerous accusation and that is of antisemitism, and goes on a reputation ruining campaign when the professor goes out of what the organization sees as the holly cow. Even students have been reported to the organization. Funny, this is a daily occurrence on campuses throughout Syria with the accusation of (معادي للحزب) being no less damaging, at least professionally. Academics have considered it as one of the primary reason for the failing and miserable condition of the Universities in Syria. So yes, my comparison is valid and has far more credibility than your argument because I lived and worked in both systems and it is part of my earning a living to ensure the integrity of the Academia.

    In fact, who you criticize says more about you than it does about the other person

    Fine, but this is an empty phrase unless you take the time and show us all what does it tell you about me. Go ahead, the blog is yours

    (which was why I was so happy when a certain individual called me an embarrassment to the revolution. A guy who risks his neck so the world can hear first hand the gunfire and explosions going on is, to her type, an embarrassment. She will never be able to live that one down).

    Nonsense and an attempt to pick up a fight with a third person who is not a party to this discourse. This is bordering on targeting a person. I will not take action since it happened during our own discourse. But please be sure, I will if this continues. And again, it is the context that matters to me and not the individual incident.

    Non of us does not appreciate you risking your life. We in fact admire that, and owe you and everyone on the streets and in the trenches a great deal of gratitude. But to give you a cart blanch, no sir.

  272. “But to give you a cart blanch, no sir.”

    Carte Blanch.

    “But please be sure, I will if this continues.”

    And yet you were quite happy to leave that individual’s “Asshole” remark. How selective we’ve become.

    I think we’ve all noticed the change in your attitude in the past 48 hours. You were quite happy to leave well alone, but lo behold, all of a sudden you had a Road to Damascus moment and in retrospect found me at fault. It’s quite obvious that there was some grievous background whining going on. I find it pathetic that you would succumb to it.

    Listen, just because, over the course of your oh-so-deep experience of American academia, you’ve developed a personnel hatred for Daniel Pipes, does not oblige anyone else to hate him as much. Till now you cannot give us the name of ONE professor who was hounded out of academia due to anything Pipes did.

    As to this;

    “Shabee7a are trying to preserve a repressive system, Pipes is trying to instill one”

    Oh…my….God. So now Pipes is a closest Fascist who wants to usher in an American Dictatorship, all because your favorite professors, who used to think they could shoot off their mouthes with impunity, might be held to account?

    In any case, I find your spineless flip flopping intolerable. I am not about to keep contributing to this website when it is more than apparent that a whine behind my back will retroactively result in a change of policies. Have fun, I really do have much, much better things to do with my time.

  273. Aboud,
    Listen, you want my answer?. Don’t use sarcasm when discussing any topic with me. I have not used sarcasm with you.

  274. “Jihad” has a Different Meaning Today

    AP, someone once defined a conservative is being a liberal who’s been mugged.

    Aboud,

    That’s right. Interesting that you know this popular statement.

    The same people who excused suicide bombings in the second intifada, as the acts of a desperate people, call us armed terrorist Salafis when we try to defend ourselves. The hypocrisy that some people are capable of is staggering.

    I agree. But let’s put a microscope on it even further. Hamas and many in the arab world and on the arab street including the Jewish anti-Zionists are basically saying (up to this very day) that Israel is illegitimate and any violence against Israelis and Jews is warranted, deserved, and “understandable”.

    What can I say? This could be a majority of arabs who I can even discuss peace with (Syria Comment comes to mind). Then there is a large segment of the arab world who knows this is a wrong posture, but won’t dare to say anything negative about it. Then there is you and a handful of other arabs who dare say what is right. Truly amazing.

    OTW,

    C’mon, link all those inflammatory statements DP’s has made as you claimed!

    If you’re not afraid to click on his website, and under “Articles”, you’ll see you can search on topics. I clicked on “Campus Watch”:

    http://www.danielpipes.org/4961/five-years-of-campus-watch

    IMHO, Professor Josh happens to be a typical American ME professor. First to blame the democracies of the US and Israel, and always at the ready to excuse and explain the autocratic arab despot.

    Today this may seem odd, but a year ago, SC was kissing Professor Josh’s feet. This sort of hypocrisy is what Professor Pipes is referring to.

    Know what I dreamt of last night? Being in a supermarket, which was open at 8pm, walking down an isle and actually seeing the shelves fully stocked.

    Aboud,

    Every Jew and Israeli I know recognizes every arab country in the ME including Palestine. No jew or Israeli I know, religious or secular, is intent on governing arabs living under Hamas or the PA.

    We are all hoping that democracy comes to the ME, because we know what benefits democracy brings.

    Your dream of a fully stocked supermarket will come to pass. Humans advance. You can’t stop this train. My dream is that Arabs and Israelis will live in peace together. This will come too.

  275. AP,
    I will tell you exactly what I told you in the past, The integrity of the academic experience is paramount. DP tactics and his organization are a threat to that integrity by their nature and by their existence.

  276. OTW,

    Right. Don’t question academics. I get it. ;)

    All my years putting Professor Josh in his place was a threat to American academia.

    I should be thrown in a Syrian jail…

  277. Aboud

    In any case, I find your spineless flip flopping intolerable. I am not about to keep contributing to this website when it is more than apparent that a whine behind my back will retroactively result in a change of policies. Have fun, I really do have much, much better things to do with my time.

    There is no flip flopping. Appeals were issued to all participants in the bickering repeatedly. Even AP, who probably made an innocent mistake received a warning. If I tolerated certain things in the past, it was merely because I have, like many on this blog, avoided getting entangled in the arguments. But I can not do so and remain the owner and the only moderator of this blog. My discussion with you about DP had nothing to do with my stance on the moderation and AP knows that very well, for him and I had many arguments about this specific topic. It is a serious argument and I do give serious arguments serious considerations.

    There is no retroactive change in policy. There was a lax application of the policy in hope for self restrain. I have to deal with that, and it is well known that the hardest thing for anyone to do is to apply rules that one has been lax in applying before and still regain the trust of those who signed up under these rules.

    One thing Aboud, what you see as flip flop, I see as being a responsible person able to recognize and acknowledge when I have not done my job appropriately. For that I apologize to the contributors on this blog, including you, who were subjected to bad language and endless arguments.

  278. AP

    Right. Don’t question academics. I get it.
    LOL, depends on the rank….
    But seriously, you know this is not what I meant.

    All my years putting Professor Josh in his place was a threat to American academia.

    No you were not a threat to academia because you were not sending students to his classroom, who then came out and reported to you so that you can go after him because you dislike what he teaches. You did not, I hope, go on a letter writing campaign and apply pressure on boards of regents and on department chairs and deans to sully his reputation. You were a reader of his comments, and you have the full right to criticize his comments and his words. Being an academic does not give anyone immunity.

    I have no problem with DP criticizing a book, or a journal article. That I can either agree with his criticism or not. My problem is students spying on their teachers and on other students. My dislike of that runs deep. My other problem is with hindering the freedom of teachers and that of students.

  279. Haytham Khoury

    Dear True:

    It is very nice post.

    We are getting close to the end of the tunnel.
    The Russians are still very stubborn. It is very troubling.
    Their initiative was similar to the Arab initiative. Why they are rejecting the Arab one?!
    simply Putin is jerk.

  280. Did you really say that NewZ

    No you were not a threat to academia because you were not sending students to his classroom, who then came out and reported to you so that you can go after him because you dislike what he teaches.

    OTW,

    Which students has Campus Watch “sent” into classrooms? Campus Watch says only that they “invite student complaints of abuse”.

    I am sure there have been numerous occasions when professors fail a student due to their political leanings.

    Also CW does not go outside of the US. The same organization exist in Israel, where campuses are over-run by Israeli anti=Zionists.

    I get a good description of the Israeli “academic scene” from evil Zionist, Steve Plaut:

    http://www.stevenplaut.blogspot.com/

    What Campus Watch Does

    Gathers information on Middle East studies from public and private sources and makes this information available on its website, http://www.Campus-Watch.org.
    Produces analyses of institutions, individual scholars, topics, events, and trends.
    Makes its views known through the media – newspaper opeds, radio interviews, television interviews.
    Invites student complaints of abuse, investigates their claims, and (when warranted) makes these known.

    Campus Watch will continue its work until the problems it addresses are resolved.

    http://www.campus-watch.org/about.php

  281. Irshad Manji ? , Daniel Pipes ? You are kidding me right. No one thinks they even come close to the Shabiha in Syria but to respect the intellectual “depth” of the likes of Manji is really silly.

    What next ?! A healthy respect for Dershowitz ?

  282. OTW please delete the two above posts; I did what I accuse others of

    Here is the link to the fight at AJA

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/watch-a-syrian-government-supporter-attack-an-opposition-activist-on-al-jazeera/

    The Lebanon Daily Star detailed more of the incident:

    Abu Fadel denied Ladkani’s claims and quickly grew incensed.

    “Shut up!” he shouted, rising from his seat and threatening to beat up Ladkani.

    Both men then stood up and hurled insults at each other, after which Abu Fadel made his way around the table to where Ladkani was standing. This prompted the host, whose show is infamous for such confrontations, to intervene physically in an unsuccessful attempt to stave off Abu Fadel’s assault.

    Al-Jazeera then cut to a commercial break.

  283. Aboud please do not tell me you are one of those loony neocon Syrians from the States lol!

  284. Did anyone ever see the debate between Irshad loony and Angry Arab. This is one of the few cases where I agree Angry Arab did not go over the top. In fact she is more of a loon than Angry Arab portrayed lol! Healthy respect for Irshaad Manji lol! My ***

  285. @ Haytham, thanks buddy.

    “simply Putin is jerk”

    I would rephrase saying (simply Putin has a price). There’s nothing in politics called let’s develop some policies based on us being assholes!! not at all, actually I have to admit that the Russians are doing really good in controlling the game and extrapolating their benefits. However, giving the nature of this game in terms of improvising and randomness I would keep my eyes open to an unexpected turn of events.

    What do we need?
    At this stage SNC must develop and manages functional back doors to guarantee a steady and secure flowing of weapons and supplies to the FSA. The more FSA grows and takes control the more SNC gets bargaining and negotiating power to sit with the Russians. I reckon we’re still a bit far from any solution (politically or militarily), it’s a guerrilla warfare it’s a long term struggle.

  286. Oh oh! A modified draft may actually go thru in
    the UN. Actually who care. In the end the international community follows what is on the ground. FSA all the way !

  287. Aboud & OTW

    Please take a time off and come back to us fresh and sober. There’s no need to waste your energy in useless debates especially when AP or Pipes is the core of it.

    OTW,

    You’re doing your job as a good moderator and I think we all support you buddy including Aboud himself. However, it might get a bit tricky sometimes when you express a point of view or take a side in debate.

    Aboud,

    You made yourself clear and loud in supporting Pipes in many different occasions, no one has treated you differently for that although many of us disagree with your stand. You’re a valuable member of 7ee6an and you know very well how professional OTW is and please let me take you back in memory months back when we all started to nest on 7ee6an. You’re a great value similar to anybody here including Zenonia so please just chill out.

    AP,

    You keep promising to stop talking about Pipes and his coworkers but never kept your promises and this WORNG!!! Man … we’re here for Syria and only for that reason so if you would like any Zionists, Palestine …. etc debates please debate somewhere else while your thoughts and contributions for Syria are always welcomed and appreciated by everyone “hopefully”.

  288. Jarthouma, very true!

    FSA all the way

  289. Thank you True for your message to AP

    “You keep promising to stop talking about Pipes and his coworkers but never kept your promises and this WORNG!!! Man … we’re here for Syria and only for that reason so if you would like any Zionists, Palestine …. etc debates please debate somewhere else while your thoughts and contributions for Syria are always welcomed and appreciated by everyone “hopefully”.”

    And please OTW although the video is a must watch, withdraw it. It has no relation to Syria (it does not even mention Palestinians) but sometimes i get really upset when flying over AP’s advocacy of the next door neighbour’s “democracy”.

  290. One thing is for sure, Daniel Putrid Pus supports will not have much of a say in post revolution Syria :)

  291. Dear True
    Thanks for the support and for being cool-headed, but really i did not take side in the argument until the argument was over and I looked at the methods used by both sides, and indicated where I felt both were at fault.

    Indeed Aboud, like all other 7ee6anis is an equally valuable member.

    Dear Annie:
    You are such a graceful person. I am fortunate to be associated with someone like you. At your request I will take these two posts off. Please verify that they are the right ones.

  292. You keep promising to stop talking about Pipes and his coworkers but never kept your promises and this WORNG!!! Man … we’re here for Syria and only for that reason so if you would like any Zionists, Palestine …. etc debates please debate somewhere else while your thoughts and contributions for Syria are always welcomed and appreciated by everyone “hopefully”.

    True,

    The discussion veered off course, I think, when OTW and I recommended a “BDS” program for Russia and China due to their unwavereing support of “Murder Inc.” (using a term I picked up on QN’s website which was used in place of the United States).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions

    BDS morphed into a discussion of the one-sided policies of the anti-Zionists who started this phenomenon and the difficulty they have applying it to the worse abusers of human rights: the Arab Despots.

    But alas, the X-Box, self-appointed poster-King of Syria has now killed about twice as many Arabs than the Zionists two wars against two external Islamist organizations hell-bent on eradicating Israel.

    Forget grassroots BDS against Russia and China and the evil Zionists, where is BDS against SYRIA??

    So yes, let us focus on Syria; that’s what this website is for.

  293. Promote BDS against Syria. We are now taking donations…

    http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=84&x_article=2183

  294. I would agree that zionist intellectual scums like Pipes,Memri media ,and more erudite writtings from islamophob islamologists such as Urvoy couple and Remi Brague in France might be usefull to the arabs and muslims .
    The young generation of intellectuals from the islamic-arab world,have to take into account their criticism in order to challenge them with the hope that this confrontation could help us to get out of our intellectual lethargy.
    Such kind of challenge had been usefull in the past ,the intellectual islamic-arab renaissance in the 19th century and 20th centurty had been stimulated by the need to counter attack the criticism of orientalists such as Renan ,Dozy and Lammens.

  295. Shami,

    Who is a greater “scum” in your estimation: Pipes or Assad?

  296. AP ,i do not love them but every person has the right to be zionist ,crusader and islamophob ,my stance is not build on the political trends of the people but on their action on the ground.
    For example ,as much i hate zionism ,a muslim shabeeh from my city Aleppo is worse than an american zionist who didnt kill but an equivalent of the zionist colonizer thugs in the occupied lands.
    So if the scum Pipes didnt took part in the decision making of a criminal zionist policy then he is more respectable than the shabiha.
    As for Bashar ,for sure, he is not less bad than the worse israeli criminals.

  297. …a muslim shabeeh from my city Aleppo… [is] equivalent of the zionist colonizer thugs in the occupied lands

    Shami,

    By all means, fight the “zionist colonizer thugs” if this is your priority. My impression is that Syria has bigger fish to fry than Zionists.

    As for Bashar ,for sure, he is not less bad than the worse israeli criminals.

    Don’t be too hard on President X-Box, he is only asking for your support and love. Is that too much to ask?

  298. Haytham Khoury

    Dear True:

    You are right concerning the FSA; this is the main hope remaining.

    Regarding Putin, he is playing a dangerous game. It is all or none. The price that he wants nobody is ready to offer. It is a big one, and the Syrian people is the victim in this game.
    القيصر و الضحية
    http://haytham-khoury3.blogspot.com/2012/02/blog-post.html

  299. Dear Haytham
    Always good to see you around here. I did not yet have a chance to read your post. I will do so later today.

    Dear 7ee6anis
    A new post (Stories from Hama: Memories of Painter Khaled Al-Khani, Part 2) will be up shortly.

  300. Goodness me, one goes away for less than 24 hours to come back and find and a new fracas had broken out! I winced and “ouched” as I read some of the hurtful words hurled at OTW, one of the fairest and most patient moderators I’ve ever seen, mainly because they reminded me of myself of days long gone by, when no one mattered and winning an argument was paramount, no matter the casualties.

    Well, please remember, dear Aboud, that one may win an argument or a whole debate and still be wrong.

  301. Haytham Khoury

    Dear OTW:
    As you know, your blog is the place where we go when we feel frustrated and hopeless. The posts and comments on this blog revive our hope and courage.

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